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Security Expert’s SF Record Questioned
May 24, 2011
Military.com|by Bryant Jordan

Jess "Skip" Hall, founder of a Birmingham, Ala.-based security and training company called "Hollow Point," doesn't mince words about wanna-bes who pretend to be more than they are. He uses the language of a former Green Beret and Vietnam combat veteran.

"There are many fakes and so-called experts in everything today," he says in the opening page to his blog, "starting [with] the individual in the White House."

On his website, Hall lists a number of qualifications and experiences beneath his photo, including "5th SF SOG A Team Leader, Vietnam." Another page includes an image of an "unofficial" 5th SOG patch from Vietnam -- a skull wearing a Green Beret -- and beneath it reads: "Skip Hall's Unit Patch."

But there's a problem with Hall's apparent outrage over phonies: He might be one too.

A retired Green Beret says Hall's Special Forces and Vietnam combat claims do not check out.

"He was a clerk typist and he spent all his time in Korea," said Jeff "JD" Hinton, who routinely ferrets out and exposes phony war heroes on his website, ProfessionalSoldiers.com. "He never went to Vietnam."

Hall's military records, copies of which he provided to Military.com, show he was initially trained as a repairman for crypto equipment at Fort Monmouth, N.J., in 1966. Some months later, he was reassigned to Fort Dix, N.J., and trained as a clerk typist.

Hall did not respond to Military.com's requests for an interview or comment. As of late Monday afternoon, his blog page and the Hollow Point website were down. A message on the Hollow Point page stated it was removed because information had been added to the site without Hall's approval.

"We express our appoligies [sic] for any misinformation this may have caused. Mr. Hall does not represent anyone in the military and makes no representation that he was previously affiliated or part of the U.S. Army, Special Forces or any other organization or agency."

In addition to Vietnam and Korea, Hall also claims to have served in the Middle East, to have worked as a Defense Department contractor, and that -- at 63 -- he was the world's oldest Mixed Martial Arts fighter.

And he was the oldest fighter until 71-year-old Dr. John J. "Gray Wolf" Williams came on the scene a few years ago.

At the time Hall retired from mixed martial arts in March 2008, he was profiled by NBC Sports writer Mike Chiappetta who mentioned Hall's combat experience. It was that article that put Hinton on the hunt for Hall's official records.

"One of our own [veterans] found him, actually found the article from MSNBC, and that started the ball rolling," Hinton said. "We've been looking into his past and did the FOIA [Freedom of Information Act request] and it came back with 'Clerk Typist' " for his Army job.

Hinton offers no opinion on any of the other achievements that Hall claims; he only cares about is Hall's claims regarding the Special Forces and combat in Vietnam.

Hinton, who retired from Army Special Forces as a master sergeant, uses official sources and personal connections in the Special Forces community to uncover phonies. Late last year, he exposed William G. Hillar, an instructor at the Monterey Institute of International Studies and widely known expert in human trafficking, as a fraud. Hillar had claimed to be a retired Army Special Forces colonel.

Hillar pleaded guilty in March to a charge of lying about his military background and experience on his application for work at the University of Oregon. He could get 20 years in jail when he returns to court for sentencing in July.

Hinton said he was not the only one investigating Hall's background. The Alabama man had also come under the scrutiny of Chuck and Mary Schantag of P.O.W. Network.

"Someone asks, we file for records, we pass those back and what happens happens," the Schantags said in an email to Military.com.

They said the reports of possible phonies go up and down, depending on the season.

"50 phony SEALs a day for awhile," they said. "Slowed a bit, but Memorial Day is just around the corner and reports will skyrocket again."

-What the hell is wrong with people? Why make all of these outlandish and asinine claims, knowing that someone, somewhere is gonna investigate it? Like Obama's birth certificate LOL.

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I guess I hope that's not true. The people who claim to be veterans and are not make me sick. My father was in the Navy during Vietnam, and I go out of my way when talking about that to say "he was NOT in the action". I've met skip before, always seemed like a good guy.

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How low will people stoop for attention. This is sick. If you served honorably, be proud you served your country and its citizens. No need for glam or shinies.


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Yeah, this is just so funny in today's world. With such easy access to info, you would think people would chill out, but they don't. I just met a guy a few months ago who told me he was in a Marine recon unit in Iraq. He said he got blown up in a IED hit, and when he told me the dates, I said I was there and my friend was one of the company XO's over at 2nd Recon. At that point I saw his jaw drop. As I started to ask more details, I quickly realized he was full of sh*t. I beleive he was a Marine, but he wasn't in Recon. I even had my friend check with the other BN that was there just in case his dates were off. This guy had been telling this lie for quite some time and then his friend started to date my sister. She just assumed that I would love to meet another war vet. Funny stuff. What is truely sad is that he could have been hit in an IED blast and he just wanted to sound cooler by being in Recon, and now he has lost all respect for just being an idiot.

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In 03, after returning from Iraq, the local VFW held a ceremony for returning veterans. They had put flags on display by the courthouse with our pictures on them and when we returned they let our loved ones take our flags down and held a cermony for it, which I thought was kinda cool. The head of the VFW was a Vietnam vet and he conducted the ceremony. He made a speech, we cut our salutes and went on our way.

A few months later, the VFW head was exposed as a fake. Though he was a veteran, he was not a VFW. He was in the ARMY during Nam but didnt deploy. He forged a fake DD-214 to make himself out to be a war hero. I found out and felt sick. I ranted to my wife for about 15min. about how pissed I was that I saluted that guy. Stare

What these idiots fail to realize is that when they make the news, as he did for holding that ceremony, there is gonna be someone, somewhere who reads it and gets curious. Especially if they were a memeber of that unit.

As a matter of fact, here he is on this link- Ronnie Lee Robbins

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1255.htm

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i remember my friends sisters boyfriend said for years he was an army sniper in iraq, then we found out he loaded trucks. they shortly broke up after that.

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That's just sick. There is a special place in hell for those dudes I hope.

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miklo- Their breakup didnt have anything to do with verbal sniping from you did it? HAHA!

Im sure there is bruce. I was sickened by the fact that I payed that guy so much respect during that ceremony. It was crazy how confident and real he seemed. Some people are just good at being frauds I guess.

The crazy thing is that I read about a lawyer citing "freedom of speech" as a way to protect his client from punishment for impersonating a servicemember. Thankfully it didnt work but I couldnt believe he tried it. Our justice system is setup in the bad guy's favor in every way so Im surprised he didnt get off scott free.

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I thought i read somewhere that they wanted to make it a crime to do that?

Don Frye for president!

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This doubly sickens me, both as a veteran and as someone who runs a company in the same field as his. I think that most of these guys don't set out to be fraud. The start telling their war stories and little by little exaggerate the truth until it becomes mostly fabrication. Then there are those that outright lie for their own benefit (which, given this guys profession was possibly the case).

The thing is, I have the utmost respect for anyone who serves his country, regardless o fin what capacity. When they lie about it, they soil it, turning honorable service into something much less. Everyone has a roll. If you served, be proud of it, no need to embellish.

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It was a crime under the Stolen Valor Act, but I believe recent rulings have stated that Freedom of Speech trumps it. So if a person wants to dress up and say they are a war hero they can as long as they are not gaining anything that would be considered illegal such as veteran benefits or whatever. It drives me fricking crazy!

I do love hearing the stories though. The only other thing I enjoy just as much is all the guys that tell me they train BJJ or MMA where I am at now. I have put together a little rolling session just to get guys who want to learn things together. I tell everyone that I am in no way an expert at anything but I will show what I know (which isn't much). Since I started it, I have guys come up to me (I am on a little base in the middle east) saying, "yeah I train MMA/BJJ."
My response is, "cool, you should come roll with us. It's always nice to have experience people."
Them: "well I actually only went to a gym for a month or so (I would assume give or take a month), and and haven't really trained in a while..."
Me: "you should still roll with us"
Them: "Most definitly!"

End result, they never show up or they go once and realize it's much harder than what they remember in their one month of training. I just don't understand why people open their mouths.

Sorry for going off course.

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it's kinda funny... cause i happened to run up on a thread the day after it started on Special Forces website.

I was like "Hey!, I know that dude!" I was not googling him or nothin, just pure coincidence.

He reffed my one and only ammy fight I had in Tuscaloosa quite a few years ago. He seems like an upstanding dude and really into the sport of MMA. I hate to hear all of this stuff going on, though. As a person, I cannot judge cause I don't know him personally.

Here is the thread that I ran into!!!
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33667

Just the facts maam.

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