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Does gi make you better?

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Does rolling with a gi make your game tighter?

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Search the posts, this is an ongoing question. My $0.02 is that the gi helps you learn the techniques and everything else. However, No gi is a completely different animal. You have no handles, collars, sleeves or anything like that. You have to use under/overs and body position more often. I think that they compliment each other and help in their own ways, I DON'T think that one is better than the other!

Grappling is a different sport from when it first started. No Gi has become the evolution of Gi grappling, but neither can exist by itself!

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jamesb959 wrote:
Search the posts, this is an ongoing question. My $0.02 is that the gi helps you learn the techniques and everything else. However, No gi is a completely different animal. You have no handles, collars, sleeves or anything like that. You have to use under/overs and body position more often. I think that they compliment each other and help in their own ways, I DON'T think that one is better than the other!

Grappling is a different sport from when it first started. No Gi has become the evolution of Gi grappling, but neither can exist by itself!

+1, nicely said.



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jamesb959 wrote:
Search the posts, this is an ongoing question. My $0.02 is that the gi helps you learn the techniques and everything else. However, No gi is a completely different animal. You have no handles, collars, sleeves or anything like that. You have to use under/overs and body position more often. I think that they compliment each other and help in their own ways, I DON'T think that one is better than the other!

Grappling is a different sport from when it first started. No Gi has become the evolution of Gi grappling, but neither can exist by itself!

Well said!


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Yeah, what jamesb said. Apples and oranges.

It may not be logical, but most of the world's best no-gi grapplers train with a gi. Think of it as a training tool. I still have fantasies of getting into a streetfight and choking a bitch with his own collar (after a judo throw, of course)!

Personally I think gi technique is more fun, but some guys would rather look cool grappling shirtless.

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I think that Gi makes one more complete. A lot of people want to learn both, so if one is thinking about teaching later on in life it would be imperative to do both. Plus, I don't see how it could hurt one's game. But like someone else said it is definately a differnt animal.

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I have trained with some BJJ and Judo guys that all use Gi's and when it comes to No-Gi it's like taking a fish out of water. They have the technique but alot of Techniques they have involve holding a sleeve or grabing a belt. At the same time if you take someone who has done no-gi for the entire time and throw a Gi on them it almost like putting a straight jacket on them. Limiting alot of movement. I think to be a great well-rounded grappler you should take the time to know and understand both.

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kung fu fu wrote:
Does rolling with a gi make your game tighter?

best way to find out is to give it a try yourself.

some people say yes, some say no... i guess it's a matter thats meant for you to decide on your own.

so try both, then you can pick one or the other or stick with both.


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I use my gi rolling to work on my defense side of it, i figure if I can escape things while the have "handles" it will be much easier to escape in nogi and MMA, I still try to win also but i do not use the handles. but thats because i plan on fighting and theres no gi in MMA

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steve290 wrote:
I use my gi rolling to work on my defense side of it, i figure if I can escape things while the have "handles" it will be much easier to escape in nogi and MMA, I still try to win also but i do not use the handles. but thats because i plan on fighting and theres no gi in MMA

thatz definitely a good way to practice.



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I happen to agree with gr8waz in that one should try both and see if they like training both ways. Like I said previously, I started out with a Gi and when i went to no-gi I was lost for about 3 weeks on my handles. After that I found out that I am way better w/o the gi and I actually like that style better. However, I still compete and train both and do MMA a few times a week.

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I think you only have to look at the recent ADCC results, and see how many of the fighters train with the gi for the answer.

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It's asked too damn ofteN!

LOOK. THE POINT EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE COMPEATING IN GI TOURNAMENTS TRAIN WITH A GI. IF YOU PLAN TO DO MMA DO NO GI TRAINIING....THAT SIMPLE.

TRAINING WITH A GI WILL NOT MAKE YOU BETTER AT NO GI. AND NO GI WILL NOT MAKE YOU BETTER AT GI JIU JITSU.

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StReaKeR wrote:
It's asked too damn ofteN!

LOOK. THE POINT EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE COMPEATING IN GI TOURNAMENTS TRAIN WITH A GI. IF YOU PLAN TO DO MMA DO NO GI TRAINIING....THAT SIMPLE.

TRAINING WITH A GI WILL NOT MAKE YOU BETTER AT NO GI. AND NO GI WILL NOT MAKE YOU BETTER AT GI JIU JITSU.



One simple reason why training w/ a gi will improve your no-gi game: gi chokes. When you are rolling with a gi you have to be very efficient and methodical about what you are doing with your hands or you will leave yourself vulnerable to a basic lapel choke. Example: mount/knee mount escapes. Drop your hands to push on the knee/hip for a hip escape and you are open to a choke.

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I don't think it takes someone that's good at the gi long to adapt to no gi but it takes someone that's done no gi only a long time to adapt to gi. Some of the best submission guy in mma came from a gi background, so you figure it out. However, a bjj guy/gal that wants to fight mma or do no gi submission events would be wise to train without the gi(and they do).

Keep training and enjoy what you do.

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This was an email from my instructor:

ADCC Champions this weekend:

1. Rani Yahra - Carlson Gracie black belt now training with Rickson

2. Marcelo Garcia - trains no Gi only once a week. ALL of his victories were by Subs.

3. Demian Maia - Gi world champion

4. Xande Ribeiro - Gi world champion

5. Fabricio Werdum - Gi world champion

6. Robert Drysdale - Gi world champion

NO ONE from Eddie Bravo's Team was even THERE

Don't throw your Gi's away, guys!!!

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Does no gi rash guard give you super powers? how do armbar?

a gi isnt a magic device that can improve your game.
It can be a useful tool in the right hands.
it can provide friction so your slippery friend
cant slip his way out of a hold down or submission.
you can grab onto it, but so can your opponent.

so I say NO! A Gi will not make you any better.

I suggest training your speed, power, and technique in a gi or rash guard.
or if your like that, go ahead and be the shirtless guy.

if your going to compete in a no gi tourney, train for a no gi tourney.
ie. dont focus your training on moves that require use of your gi.

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If someone bothers you, ask him to stop.
If he does not stop, destroy him.

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Cool'nNC wrote:
This was an email from my instructor:

ADCC Champions this weekend:

1. Rani Yahra - Carlson Gracie black belt now training with Rickson

2. Marcelo Garcia - trains no Gi only once a week. ALL of his victories were by Subs.

3. Demian Maia - Gi world champion

4. Xande Ribeiro - Gi world champion

5. Fabricio Werdum - Gi world champion

6. Robert Drysdale - Gi world champion

NO ONE from Eddie Bravo's Team was even THERE

Don't throw your Gi's away, guys!!!

hmm..interesting 8) 8)

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From a self defense standpoint I would say knowing both is best. From a competition standpoint I would say know what you need to know to win. I do both and I think each compliments the other.

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BMINRENO wrote:
From a self defense standpoint I would say knowing both is best. From a competition standpoint I would say know what you need to know to win. I do both and I think each compliments the other.

+1
Eddie Bravo made a great point in MTRG. No one claims to be good at Greco Roman wrestilng that you have to train Judo. It's the same principle, one uses a gi the other does not. Would Judo help a Greco wrestler? I think so, because like you said, they compliment each other.

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I don't really train in a Gi. I usually only wear it to start the truck when it's cold outside. BUT you do learn how to slow down and have a good base with a Gi on. On the other hand NO GI is super fast and a totally different game.

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Cool'nNC wrote:
No one claims to be good at Greco Roman wrestilng that you have to train Judo. It's the same principle, one uses a gi the other does not.

That might be a good point, except they're not the same principle. The souldrer throws, which have the most in common, use different lines, angles and posture.

I advise training both. Some will argue that training gi teaches you to grab "handles" that arn't availabe without the gi, but I've never met anyone who, for eaxmple, reached for lapel only to be shocked when they realize their opponent wasn't wearing a gi.

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saying a gi will or will not make you better is like saying that if you have a 50k car you are less likely to get in an accident. there might be a tiny bit of truth to it but it mostly depends on the practioner.

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Cobra wrote:
saying a gi will or will not make you better is like saying that if you have a 50k car you are less likely to get in an accident. there might be a tiny bit of truth to it but it mostly depends on the practioner.

Really, look at ADCC and most of the top dogs are people with a vast background with the gi. How much more can this be beat into the ground? Say what you want but my money is on the Marcelo Garcias of the world, not on the Eddie "smokesomemoreweed" Bravos.

Keep training and enjoy what you do.

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powerof0ne wrote:

Really, look at ADCC and most of the top dogs are people with a vast background with the gi. How much more can this be beat into the ground? Say what you want but my money is on the Marcelo Garcias of the world, not on the Eddie "smokesomemoreweed" Bravos.
+1

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wow this bravo hating is new to me! didnt know so many people were against him, me i've learned a lot from his style. but to the point, i have never put a gi on but..... i grapple because i enjoy it and i care not for dogma. i have no desire to grapple w/ a gi because i think its more fun w/out. it seems to be riskier w/more position changes, and speed.+ choking some one with your shirt seems cheap! :twisted:

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its funny how nobody here mentioned that when You train no'gi, you will sweet like crazy, and when training like that, it will lead to sloppy technique, and most of the transitions you do sometimes happen by the slipperyness. In my opinion, training with gi is good, but in you plan of doing mma, and no'gi grappling, when training with your gi, dont really on lapel chokes, or grabbing the gi, just use it as a tool, to keep your technique crisp, especially while your white to purple,.

One time I was drilling techniques without a gi, and I was sweating so much that I felt that drilling without my gi, was hurting my technique, because it was getting really sloppy with all the sweat, and the gi helps eliminate that

just my 2 cents

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