Was at a bar, had a few and sprayed my beer around like champagne. A bouncer walked up and told me to gtfo I put my hands up and complied. I was being a dickhead and I admit that. As I'm walking out he's constantly pushing me I ask him to stop and feel either a fist or him holding my shirt hit me in the back of the head. I turn around and put possibly the harderst right hand I've ever thrown on his chin and followed him down. I must have gotten knocked out pretty good because I woke up with blood in my eyes and a fat bastard wrestling and throwing shots at my head while other bouncers are trying to pull us towards the door. A few boys from my gym jumped in and started giving me a hand. Long story short I've got 13 stitches in my head a bouncer got his arm broken I fractured this guys jaw and a few of us are being charged. I guess my question is can bouncers do that shit? are they even allowed to put their hands on me? If so where is the line? In your opinoin should I even bother with claiming self defense or just plead guilty to the charges?. I know there is an obvious potentail for bias, but I know what a fist feels like and he deffinatly decided to take it to that level first.
That sucks dude. I used to bounce at a dive bar that tended to get rowdy on a regular basis so I had my fair share of scuffles and had to call the cops numerous times. The cops flat out told me that whatever happened, even if we had guys unconscious they would come take them away no questions asked. It definitely sounds like the bouncer was out of line unless you appeared aggressive whille spraying your beer or something. In my experience the police have bouncers' backs, its messed up but that's how it is. I've been on both sides, seen patrons get really out of control quick and need to be made an example of and been at punk shows where you weren't alound to mosh and the bouncers were smacking dudes with black jacks in the pit. You'll probably be able to get the charges dropped or reduced.
I think self-defense would be hard to pull off. Regardless of whether he hit you or not, you turning around and shattering his jaw was definitely the wrong thing to do. By your own admission you were being a dickhead. Not to defend his actions, but he probably deals with that kind of stuff on a nightly basis and was just fed up with it. Being the trained fighter, you should have simply been the bigger person and walked away. I know it's a sucky situation to be in, but sometimes you have to put your pride aside. Good luck getting the charges dropped/reduced though. Hopefully, nothing else bad comes out of the situation.
13 stitches, ouch. Don't suppose there was security cam footage of said incident? I've learned in life that when alcohol, women, and men are in close proximity of each other, $hit will happen and everyone's memory becomes a "he said, she said" type ordeal.
As the above posters said, it'll be hard to claim self defense unless you have hard evidence (such as a video) to back it up, on your side, as the police will side with the bouncers in most places.
Good luck to you.
Part of what I do is train bouncers. A bouncer can indeed put hands on you to escort you out if you are being tossed for cause and, in his judgement, it is required for his safety. As for hitting you in the back of the head, there would be little that could justify that however, by your own admission, you don't really know what happened there.
As for your injuries, they took place after you punched the bouncer. You can't expect his cohorts to stand by and do nothing. Even if he did hit you first, your reaction caused the other bouncers to get involved.
Bottom line, depending on what exactly happened, the bouncer may have been out of line but you, at the very least, escalated the situation. A claim of self defense is not likely to do you a lot of good. If it were me, I would be looking for a plea bargain down to durnk and disorderly or something similar.
That sucks. I would suggest getting a lawyer ASAP. You may be getting a civil suit against you for medical bills and pain / suffering. Good Luck.
Bouncing is a tough job. And, there are some who take too many liberties. But like others have said, I don't think you are going to have a leg to stand on unless someone caught the sucker punch on video.
You were walking out in compliance and being smackedLOL Dam great job on popping that fool in the mouth,and yes plead not guilty even if you are. Your words against his he was trying to show out infront of other bouncers he deserved what he got and for the guy that got his arm broke he was lucky to get away with just that. When you cross the line an put your hands on someone else in my opinion get ready.I was a bouncer and your job is to walk people out if they are raising hell in the most humane manner you can .I cant believe some of the answers on here.NOT GUILTY BRO. Keep your hands up next time your instructor should have told you that . Good Luck
Grasshopper - you are right, it is one persons word against another.
In this scenario our friend here was admittedly drunk and causing a rukus before the incident.
So while I trust his version of events I'm not so sure someone who doesn't know him would. I'm not even sure I'd beleive that version 100% if I heard it from someone I don't know and have never talked too.
Besides, this is all interent advice. Get a lawyer to look at the FACTS as they will be presented and get a solid opinion. I hope no one ever walks into court and says "well, Bruceleeroy and Chaz said I'm pretty legit so I'm rolling the dice here."
I bounced at numerous bars, mostly during Spring Break in Panama City Beach.. so rowdy is an everyday thing...
I was always told standard protocal when escorting someone out was to keep a hand on the person as you took them to the door through the crowd. Not in a forceful manor, but enough to let htem know you are there..
Him slapping you in the back of the head wasnt nesacary.. But then again neither was spraying your beer all over the place.
The short of it is, I dont think you have a leg to stand on on the self defense thing. Its not like he just came out of now where and picked you out of the crowd and started shit with you.
But either way, the situation sucks... I left a kid with a broken nose one time, and he tried pressing charges against me, thankfully the whole thing was one video and the police saw where he tried to turn around when I was walking him to the door and get aggresive with me. Case closed...
nice! thank's for the update Irish! glad the truth/thinigs worked out for ya
YES!! Thank the lord for video evidence. Also thank that nosy person for filming something that was none of their damn business. Now sue them for 100 million dollars. :)
Gotta love security cameras...sometimes.
Good for you never give up a good fight.Word of advise dont waste beer either.