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Tue, 09/19/2006 - 23:37
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Has anyone watched the documentary that National Geographic did? Called "Fight Science"? It's pretty sweet. I just saw it. It scientifically measures each martial art (taekwondo, karate, ninjitsu, kung fu, boxing, and muay thai were the most featured ones) and figures out which one has the fasted, most powerful, or most deadliest kick, punch, throw, etc. For those that have seen it, what do you think of the results?

Here's a sweet trailor for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__sNgnYEEXA

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Tue, 09/19/2006 - 23:43
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Here's a clip that features Rickson Gracie

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1472249645711652891&q=fight+science&hl=en

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Tue, 09/19/2006 - 23:59
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The first submission they show is his one arm achillies lock.... awsome!!!!!

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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 00:07
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There's the ninjitsu guy on there, and they have him do his deadly 'dim mak' punch. It's pretty much intense. It's a hammer fist to the heart, and they use the crash test dummy measurements. a 0 is no damage, and a 1 is death. His hammerfist registered at a .8. It's pretty much instant death for such a panzy looking move. Look up "fight science ninjitsu" on youtube.

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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 00:13
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This one's pretty good too. It features the taekwondo guy, but explains 'normal' reaction time, vs a fighter's reaction time.

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2763527?loomia_si=1

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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 00:19
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Interesting post. Thanks Cassie. Apparently Rickson can apply 600lbs of lateral pressure with a Crucifix. I believe it. Sub Grappling is all about leverage.


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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 05:23
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Pretty intersting show i have watched it a couple times

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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 08:15
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yes i watched that show 2 times in the same night it was very interesting. i loved that the muay thai knee from clinch was the damage equivalent to a car crash! thats good stuff


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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 10:32
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there's another thread about this show somewhere

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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 10:57
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bruceleeroy wrote:
there's another thread about this show somewhere

There is...I forgot what section it's in...Many of our complaints/compliments are on that thread...

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Wed, 09/20/2006 - 18:09
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nice thanks. i like the balance of the ninja. like a cat, but without the 9 lifes.



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Thu, 09/21/2006 - 00:33
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The reaction time one was kind of cool too.


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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 04:31
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ohhh i missed that 1 out..
i've read about angular momentum during hip throw though..
(huh!! wuts that??) :shock:

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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 08:02
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simple way to check out angular momentum:
sit on a swivel chair with your hands held out
spin around (use your feet or have someone push you)
stop pushing and see what happens when you bring in your hands

You speed up as it's not "how fast are you going around" but "how much are you going around" that's being conserved. It's similar to using the same amount of force on a different point on a lever leads to a different result.

Morrison's law:

The more accurately you try to take your measurements, the further they'll be from the theory you started with.

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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 11:12
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Awesome link with plenty of other clips...I also ran across some results from the tests, some of'em are pretty wild. Check'em out:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060814-fight-science_2.html

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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 13:56
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Spaz wrote:
Awesome link with plenty of other clips...I also ran across some results from the tests, some of'em are pretty wild. Check'em out:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060814-fight-science_2.html

One of the interesting bits:
"The researchers were surprised to find that boxing is the fighting style capable of delivering the most force in a single punch.

Boxer Steve Petramale delivered about 1,000 pounds (453.6 kilograms) of impact force, the equivalent of swinging a sledgehammer into someone's face. "

Ouch!!! ~Swinging=/= poking~

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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 15:33
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I watched it twice. I thought that it was great. The way they broke down everything to scientific measurements. It really puts perspective on the power and speed being generated by serious practitioners.

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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 15:38
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It was very interesting to see some of the raw forces generated in many of the tests. I though that the method was too flawed to make comparisions. I don't think you can compare the boxer's punches to the others, since the boxer was bigger than the other martial artists -- especially the wushu guy. Also, comparing a standing kick and a clinch knee compares two different techniques with very different dynamics.

Many of the results were still impressive.


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Mon, 11/06/2006 - 22:55
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I thought that this was prety decent. Really dug they way that they tested the force of different strikes. And looking into the impact force of various weapons was slick as well, but got a bit repetitive after the 5th time they tell you that increasing the length increases the velocity.
But for some reason the TKD dude really bothered me throughout most of the show (and he should be slapped upside the back of the head for tossing a katana like a baton...I don't know why they didn't have one of the guys they had that know what they're doing demonstrate that one), and the ninjutsu guy didn't even wear tabi :(

But I liked it.

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Wed, 11/08/2006 - 05:09
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riss61 wrote:
It was very interesting to see some of the raw forces generated in many of the tests. I though that the method was too flawed to make comparisions. I don't think you can compare the boxer's punches to the others, since the boxer was bigger than the other martial artists -- especially the wushu guy. Also, comparing a standing kick and a clinch knee compares two different techniques with very different dynamics.

Many of the results were still impressive.

Yes..they did say the bigger the puncher...the harder it gets..
F=ma (good 1...)
And the kungfu kick...the guy use both feet...making the area larger...so the kick is less powerful...
And why in this small world that taekwondo guy use katana 'his own way'??? (flashy moves...he even threw it to the air..D'OH!!!) -->does taekwondo teach swordmanship?? i dont think so... maybe he should try seppuku after the show...

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Tue, 07/10/2007 - 19:43
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fight science was pretty cool. it was cool how that TKD guy had like crazy reflexes.

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Tue, 07/10/2007 - 21:06
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Ya I watched it when Tank posted it, very very cool :D

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Wed, 07/11/2007 - 07:14
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wow this thread was really resurrected from the dead...

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Wed, 07/11/2007 - 20:14
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Gives martial arts the respect it deserves.

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i whatched it, but i like human weapon and fight quest better

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