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Here is the place to ask it! As some of you may know, for the last year or two I've been pretty closely associated with the guys at Victorybelt Publishing (the guys who write Eddie's books and produce his DVDs). I've done work for them and even wrote an article or two in a magazine for Eddie, though I generally specialize in product analysis. Anyway, over time I've become pretty well acquainted with the 10th Planet system and I often see people asking questions or simply looking for a bit of advice on something. Well, I figured I could try to help anyone who needs it!

Please don't turn this into a marijuana topic or asking silly questions about Eddie's personal life or something. Keep it technique based. I can answer most questions myself on everything from the half guard to Rubber Guard to Twister Side Control. If I don't know the answer to the question, I can always ask Erich Krauss or Glen Cordoza (who should know the answer, but if not can always ask Eddie himself).

Don't hesitate, if you have any questions, ask away!

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Eddie smokes weed? :lol:

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Read his books and find out.

Keep it to techniques, please.

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When Eddie's student "Einstein" was on TapouT's show, his corner was telling him to throw elbows from Chill dog. I know chill dog's position, but what arm would you use to throw elbows with? If it's the right arm, couldn't you just throw them from mission control?

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awesome! ummm, okay i got one. i've having trouble with the 'ninja', i try to get high on their hips before i roll. however, itz always hard for me to get that roll unless i slowly inch my way or unlock my legs. is there any better way or details to doing it wit ur legs triangled and locked?



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Kevin, you are going to be throwing them with the same arm you clear the neck with. So, yes, it is similar to throwing them from Mission Control / New York. However, there is one big difference. The whole purpose of the Chill Dog position is to either attempt a finish with the Invisible Collar (and the submissions that come from the position) or, primarily, to get into the Jiu-Claw position. Now, I haven't seen that show, but when you throw elbows from Chill Dog, it is almost always to help transfer into the Jiu-Claw when your opponent is putting up a fight and won't let you transfer. You basically try to bring your foot across his face from Chill Dog; when he begins to defend by either hugging you tightly or pressing his weight down, you can (since this is MMA) bypass the typical ways to deal with the defender and simply throw elbows to soften up your opponent who can't defend his face because he is holding your body. He can either continue taking the abuse or try to protect his face, allowing you to transfer to the Jiu-Claw and finish from there. Eddie calls this technique "Chill Bows".

Tank, I don't want this to come out wrong but the problem may be with your commitment. Many people tend to get a little shaken up when attempting the roll since it is so very unorthodox and it is always a bit scary to sacrifice a good position with a "high risk" move (I say high risk since you haven't become used to it yet). My best advice is really just to hurl yourself a few times with a willing partner (tell him to resist at about 20% only and just keep repeating like a drill until you get the roll down). See, the entire point of the roll is to give yourself momentum that allows you to transfer to either the Truck or the back. If you inch into it you lose the momentum that you need to complete the move. So, again, just try to drill the roll a few times on a partner who is willing to work with you on it. Once you get good at it, you can actually roll quick enough to transfer your momentum into your opponent, lifting his hips off the mat, allowing you to quickly scoot under and take back control.

I hope I helped guys!

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oh no, the problem isn't the commitment...hmmm, i can i explain my problem better? well, i'm willing to roll, the problem is itz hard to get up and over their hips. i would try to lean forward to and roll, but the problem is my position or something. i'm stuck there til i push myself up wit my foot. u no what i mean now? maybe? kinda?



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Hmm, have you tried bypassing the hips completely? It sounds to me you are rolling over the hips... That is a big no-no. It won't generate momentum and it will be near impossible to clear the hips (as you said). Try to roll towards his feet; in a sense, you are really rolling over his knee area, not his hips. His knees are a LOT lower and easier to clear then his hips. In fact, try to roll as close to his feet as possible. This will give you the most whip and momentum too. Also, make sure you tuck your shoulder too in order to make your roll smoother.

Try that and let me know if its any better... If I still didn't answer your question, try again.

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ok, totally time to take advantage of you! I"m not good with eddies techniques cause they're pretty unorthodox, so some simple questions i have are:

1) with twister side control, do you trap the arms? Because it looks kinda like you do, but i'm just not sure about this one.

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2) with rubber guard, i always have trouble trapping the arm on the side of the leg that comes up...they usually get control of it back pretty quick, any tips?

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theAnAcondA742 wrote:
Hmm, have you tried bypassing the hips completely? It sounds to me you are rolling over the hips... That is a big no-no. It won't generate momentum and it will be near impossible to clear the hips (as you said). Try to roll towards his feet; in a sense, you are really rolling over his knee area, not his hips. His knees are a LOT lower and easier to clear then his hips. In fact, try to roll as close to his feet as possible. This will give you the most whip and momentum too. Also, make sure you tuck your shoulder too in order to make your roll smoother.

Try that and let me know if its any better... If I still didn't answer your question, try again.

hmmm, maybe thatz the problem. thanks!



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Cryp7ic, I will address both parts of your question individually.

1. Say you are in side control on your opponent's right side. To get to Twister Side Control, you jam your elbow up under his left armpit and keep your arm flush against his side. You shoot your left leg straight back, lifting your hips up off the ground. You then scissor your legs, which causes your butt to sit down on his right arm, pinning it to the mat. You then mash your lower back into his face, place your right arm on his far knee, and you are done. It is very easy to do, but very difficult to explain...

2. It is very simple to keep your opponent's hand to the mat after you get it there. All you need to do is hug your knee TIGHT with your free hand. If you do this, it is nearly impossible for him to escape out.

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Wow! Thanks for making this topic dude. It's like a blessing or something.

I turn 18 on April 24 and my friend turns 17 on the 18th. We both train jiu jitsu- I've been using alot of Eddie's stuff (espescially the rubber guard and half guard material) for a long time now and he's just getting into it with the MTRG DVD.

For our birthdays, we were considering flying to Cali to train with Eddie, but until now I had no idea where to start. I've got a couple questions.

1) We are both around blue belt level and have several competition victories. Would you say that training with Eddie now would make a big difference, or should I wait to get more advanced?

2)How much are privates? I heard they were around $500 for 45 min.

3) If that's true, there's no way I could pay that. Does he allow people from outside to train with the class (for a fee of coarse)?

Thanks for your time. Any info or contacts you can give me will be very appreciated.

I'm not a black belt, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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theAnAcondA742 wrote:
Cryp7ic, I will address both parts of your question individually.

1. Say you are in side control on your opponent's right side. To get to Twister Side Control, you jam your elbow up under his left armpit and keep your arm flush against his side. You shoot your left leg straight back, lifting your hips up off the ground. You then scissor your legs, which causes your butt to sit down on his right arm, pinning it to the mat. You then mash your lower back into his face, place your right arm on his far knee, and you are done. It is very easy to do, but very difficult to explain...

2. It is very simple to keep your opponent's hand to the mat after you get it there. All you need to do is hug your knee TIGHT with your free hand. If you do this, it is nearly impossible for him to escape out.

awesome, thank you so much! :D

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Unorthodox,

1. Dude, you have no idea how much it will benefit you. See, Eddie's gym is a LOT different then most gyms. The guys there are all really aggressive. This is not a bad thing; they aren't guys who go 120% in training. By aggressive I mean their styles are HEAVILY offense based. Basically, they keep flowing from submission to submission until one works. This will keep you on your toes for a long time until you get used to the pace and begin to adapt your own style. I guarantee that by the time you leave there your offense will be taken to a whole new level. Your defense will improve as well since you are forced to defend a barrage of submissions when you aren't attacking.

2. Not sure on the prices for privates, you may want to look into the Legends Gym's prices.

3. He definitely lets anyone train with him who he wants. Glen Cordoza, one of the Victorybelt Publishing writers, received his purple belt from Eddie Bravo even though he trains at another gym and only worked with Eddie the short time that VB was working on the MTRG DVD. You can actually see this on the DVD on part 2. I'm almost 100% sure he'd let you in, but if for some super weird reason he doesn't just explain that you came near 4000 miles to come train with him; he'd definitely say yes (as would any martial arts instructor). Keep in mind it wouldn't be a private lesson, but you could train with his class. You might even see some famous people you see on TV, like Jason Chambers, Joe Rogan, Karo Parisyan, Dean Lister, and so forth.

I'm going to bed now guys, I'll answer more questions in the morning!

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theAnAcondA742, great topic - thanks!

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lol this is funy to me!

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I think that 10th planet JJ really sounds Baddazz!

i know you didnt see that one coming but it wouldnt have mattered cause your chin was high and your hands down away!

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I got one for you. Why does Eddie always show the LocoPlata from mount in his books? Does he prefer it from just finshing the Gogo, and if so why?

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The Jules wrote:
I got one for you. Why does Eddie always show the LocoPlata from mount in his books? Does he prefer it from just finshing the Gogo, and if so why?

"Ok class, everyone please turn to page 188 in your Mastering the Twister text."

Ok, If you will notice that he may just call the move loco plata but he is actually doing both moves. He first does the gogoplata and then he shows that in step 9, it is defended. He then transitions to the loco plata.

So, actually, he is doing both moves.

Just the facts maam.

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Think of the Locoplata as a more effective Gogoplata that is a bit harder to set up since it is more complex compared to the Gogo. If one is unable to finish the Gogoplata since it is being defended or something, you can use the Locoplata to add more pressure to finish the hold.

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theAnAcondA742 wrote:
Read his books and find out.

Keep it to techniques, please.


I was kidding dude

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Thanks, great topic. I appreciate the help.

I'm not a black belt, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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if we wanted to learn eddie bravos moves, whats the best way to do it without going to cali to train with him personaly?

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Well, a LOT of no-gi/submission wrestling schools have been starting to slowly accept Eddie's style and adapting various elements from it. For example, most no-gi schools will usually teach the Rubber Guard now (though not in the same depth as Eddie). Even Robert Drysdale in his no-gi DVD stresses the importance of the Rubber Guard.

However, if you want to learn everything Eddie has to offer, purchase Mastering the Rubber Guard, Mastering the Twister, and Mastering the Rubber Guard DVD. Read MTRG and then watch the video. The combination of both will give you a really good idea on Eddie's system. Then, you just need to get a partner to drill and practice what you learned. They will likely release a DVD on Mastering the Twister, too, so you can do the same for the MTT set. Though, you can still read the book and improve your game, I found it is MUCH easier to do with the DVD. Though I've still pulled off a few Twisters since reading the book ;).

And sirluisdeleon, I knew you were joking :). I just wanted to bust your chops, lol.

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I had a few questions for you...

1) Eddie shows Night of the Living Dead as one way to trap the hand to the mat. In step three, he reaches across and grabs his right wrist with his left hand. What is the purpose of this move? What happens if his opponent doesn't grab his shoulder?

2) In Twister Side Control, I find that I have to keep my head pretty low toward their hips if I'm trying to pin someone with long arms, otherwise they can use their free arm to reach over my shoulder and wrap my head. I noticed that Eddie addresses a similar situation with his Red Cross technique, but I've had several opponents grab my neck just like that without getting their underhook. Am I just missing an important part of the position or is it correct to just keep my head low toward their hips?

Thanks in advance man, this thread is great.

Josh

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Hey guys, I'm going to be out for the day today... Please post your questions here and I'll answer them when I get home tonight (sometime after 10 PM Eastern). I'm glad I can help you guys!

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Is there a move called the "elevator"? I keep calling the Electric chair the elevator. i was wondering if this is a similar move im confusing.

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Guerilla, I've heard more then one person call the Electric Chair the "elevator" but I'm almost positive they are just mistaking the two terms.

Warriorsage, the purpose of that technique is to fool your opponent into thinking you are trying to go for another technique. Also, physically, it gives your opponent's arm (the one you are trying to pin to the mat) much less room to move around since you are closing the gap between your two bodies. Many people will feel uncomfortable with this and will instinctually put their hand to the mat, allowing you to trap it. Also, when you both are sweaty, the arm tends to slip or roll off your midsection, allowing you to trap it.

As for your second question, could you rephrase it a bit? I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.

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Thanks for the answer on my first question Anaconda. Let me see if I can rephrase my second a little bit.

I've just started working with twister side control in these past few weeks, using Mastering the Twister as the reference. Let's say I'm in twister side control on their right side and I'm sitting on their right arm with my left elbow in their left armpit. I've had trouble with opponents freeing their right arm from underneath me and then using it to reach up over my back and grab my head to pull me down and roll me. Some opponents with long arms were able to just take their left arm and grab my head with it as well. In the books, it looks like they could do this to Eddie as well, so I'm wondering if I'm missing out on a counter to this or if you just have to be aware of them grabbing your head.

Thanks,

Josh

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Well, the answer to this is a bit more complex then it should be... And consequently, harder to put into words. To be perfectly honest, you just need to move your head around so they can't get a hold of it. Usually, they will try to overextend themselves to try to get hold of your neck/head/shoulders if they keep missing since you are moving. When you feel them moving too far one way or the other, begin looking to secure the Grapevine or take the back. If this doesn't work, you still have the option to hop to mount or fall to regular side control. This is very useful if you manage to capture one of the arms he is using to attack you. If you capture it, transfer positions smoothly, you have yourself an easy armbar. You also must realize that Twister Side Control isn't perfect at all, but merely lets you get the Twister from side control. On top of that, some people will just be naturally good at defending the position (as with all other positions). If someone is naturally good at defending the back mount, you should probably transition to regular mount to finish from there.

I hope I helped you!

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Okay. THX. so theres no other move called the elevator.

I catch the twister alot in practice (usually when someone goes to Kata-Gatame position, i hook th outside leg pull their weight on me and twist away) ....Ive heard the Twister is illegal in grappling comps, true? also is it legal in MMA? and if so, why havent i seen someone use it?!?

Btw you doing a great job fielding all these questions. You did the equivalent of going to an obesity forum and offering cake recipes :lol: THX.

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