ground and pound palm?
Wed, 07/09/2008 - 21:57
I was working GNP the other night and started palm striking the bag. Would that be ok in a mma match. I seemed to get good power and with out padding it would hurt like heck.
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Wed, 07/09/2008 - 22:38
#2
At least according to the UFC rules, there's nothing against palm strikes. I'd check whatever organization you're working in.
Wed, 07/09/2008 - 23:36
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Gramps wrote:
At least according to the UFC rules, there's nothing against palm strikes. I'd check whatever organization you're working in.
depends on the org. and sanctioning body.
Sat, 07/12/2008 - 13:25
#4
Jason Hill wrote:
I was working GNP the other night and started palm striking the bag. Would that be ok in a mma match. I seemed to get good power and with out padding it would hurt like heck.
i remember bas rutten said something about this. it was something to the effect that you're better off using a closed fist unless your punching distance is limited--using a palm strike then would add a couple more inches.
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Sat, 07/12/2008 - 15:42
#5
ransom wrote:
Jason Hill wrote:I was working GNP the other night and started palm striking the bag. Would that be ok in a mma match. I seemed to get good power and with out padding it would hurt like heck.i remember bas rutten said something about this. it was something to the effect that you're better off using a closed fist unless your punching distance is limited--using a palm strike then would add a couple more inches.
you have it backwards a close fist gives you a longer reach then a open palm
Sat, 07/12/2008 - 16:35
#6
heelhook wrote:
ransom wrote:Jason Hill wrote:I was working GNP the other night and started palm striking the bag. Would that be ok in a mma match. I seemed to get good power and with out padding it would hurt like heck.i remember bas rutten said something about this. it was something to the effect that you're better off using a closed fist unless your punching distance is limited--using a palm strike then would add a couple more inches.
you have it backwards a close fist gives you a longer reach then a open palm
no, what ransom means is in a closer distance, like in clinch. if u try to hit the side of ur opponent, u get a bit more time to build up the speed if u have an open palm compared to a closed fist.
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Sat, 07/12/2008 - 17:41
#7
i get it
Sat, 07/12/2008 - 18:20
#8
Just watch where your fingers go. Even if you're not actually hitting the guys eyes, I'm sure some refs might call it if it gets too close.
I had a ref issue me a warning during a grappling tourney because i was using my forearm to push my opponent's head away and the meaty part of my forearm was across one of his eye sockets... Kind of annoyed me...
Sat, 07/12/2008 - 20:16
#9
Bas used palm strikes quite effectively throughout his Pancrase career (of course he had no choice due to the rules). He even KO'D people via palm to the liver. Kevin Randelman was on the recieving end of some ear claps and palms to the temples in their UFC bout.
You are also less prone to breaking bones in youre hands when using palm strikes. Im not an expert on them, I dont really use them myself but have seen them used effectively.
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Sat, 07/12/2008 - 20:18
#10
you're looking at a broken wrist if you miss or slip...
Sat, 07/12/2008 - 20:22
#11
Cobra wrote:
you're looking at a broken wrist if you miss or slip...
True, but you are more likely to use a palm strike on the ground or in the clinch, somewhere that requires short strikes. I wouldnt wing it like a haymaker punch or anything.
Besides the same can be said about any punch you throw. You are prone to break something anytime you are winging at someone.
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Sat, 07/12/2008 - 21:15
#12
From my TMA stand point slaps and open hand blocks are more acurate.
But thats not waht I was doing it was just a little hook in ground and pound. I think my palms would be harder then a padded fist. Also we like to hit hard to soft and soft to hard.
I will have to check and see if we can use them.
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Sat, 07/12/2008 - 22:37
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tat2edup wrote:
Cobra wrote:you're looking at a broken wrist if you miss or slip...True, but you are more likely to use a palm strike on the ground or in the clinch, somewhere that requires short strikes. I wouldnt wing it like a haymaker punch or anything.
Besides the same can be said about any punch you throw. You are prone to break something anytime you are winging at someone.
not what I meant. let me break it down for you:
visualize yourself mounting an opponent and throwing strikes. you throw an open hand strike and the hard and fleshy (but rather small) part of your palm crashes down on his chin. now, rewind. you throw the same kind of strike to the chin, just as hard, but this time you hit his chin with the inner base of your knuckles. hear that snap? it's your wrist, and you've just been FUBAR
Sun, 07/13/2008 - 13:25
#14
Cobra wrote:
tat2edup wrote:Cobra wrote:you're looking at a broken wrist if you miss or slip...True, but you are more likely to use a palm strike on the ground or in the clinch, somewhere that requires short strikes. I wouldnt wing it like a haymaker punch or anything.
Besides the same can be said about any punch you throw. You are prone to break something anytime you are winging at someone.not what I meant. let me break it down for you:
visualize yourself mounting an opponent and throwing strikes. you throw an open hand strike and the hard and fleshy (but rather small) part of your palm crashes down on his chin. now, rewind. you throw the same kind of strike to the chin, just as hard, but this time you hit his chin with the inner base of your knuckles. hear that snap? it's your wrist, and you've just been FUBAR
Thanks for the breakdown, but nothing in my statement changes, you can still break bones with a closed fist just as easy in this scenario as well.
I just broke my hand 2 months ago from inside my opponent's grard. True boxer break of the 2nd metacarpel (bone on top of the hand, behind youre 1st finger).
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Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:52
#15
Myeh.
You can break your hand in any position - I mean, you are basically slamming the bones of your fist against something hard with very little give (ie., your opponents face). However, the likelihood of a break just skyrockets wh you switch to open hand strikes with any sort of real heat behind them. Why? Leverage.
When you hit with a closed fist, the possibility of a break is determined simply by whether or not your knuckles can take the punishment. Generally speaking, they can take quite a bit because they are structured that way. An open palm, however, works like a lever. If you drop your weight into a punch and th eguy moves, causing you to catch his face on the underside of your knuckles, then the punch changes. Instead of your energy being driven into your opponent, it is now being driven into forcing your wrist PAST your opponent's face. Meanwhile, his face serves to stop the momentum of th eupper part of your hand. This forces your wrist to bend backward, and your hand simply is NOT structured to be able to withstand even mediocre pressure from this angle. The weight from a punch (even a light one) is more than enough to break your wrist.
This is why wristlocks are a perfectly viable submission in BJJ, whereas 'crushing the fist' is not.
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I don't think open hand strikes are legal.
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