Herb Dean dropped the ball!

I think he would of kept tapping, but he got lucky because it looked like his ankle managed to slip out and he was ok.

But you can almost get a tap in any submission, but if you dont you still got to win the rest of the fight.. and Dustin got pwned in the second.

That whole episode was awful for the sport of mma.  Can't they conduct themselves like MEN and not boys.  Not only did the tuf competitors act poorly, so did Mayhem and Bisping.  If one of my training partners acted like that, I would never train with them again. 

Martial artists are supposed to conduct themselves as gentlemen. 

I would say this to any of their faces.  Ain't nothing wrong with speaking the truth. 

If they were my instructors or team mates, I would not train with them.  

Champions shouldn't act poorly.      

Well, if he ain't screaming, you aren't cranking it hard enough...

Besides, Steve Mazagatti already proved that a verbal tapout means more than an actual tapout in the Rousey vs D'alelio fight

I guess these are only exhibitions matches, but if this were a real match, would he be able to petition for a No Contest?

Is a tap defined as 3 separate motions? It lookes like he did 1-2 light taps, paused for a moment, and then lightly tapped 1-2 times again. He looked tense, but not the typical writhing face that accompanies most heel hooks.

I think Neace would have tapped him proper if he hadn't been so tentative.

Looking at that gif, we can safely see that Herd Dean watched it closely and still didn't judge it as a tap. Akira him self tell us he didn't tap and I got to agree on that its not clear if he was tapping or not. The way he told us the diffrence, is the expression of someone sitting in that hold compared to his reaction, also his tapping.

The way I see it, he was ready to tap, like you are for any hold like that, but he realized it wasen't that hard and as you can see, Dean probably thought the same as I'm thinking now. Look who is right? The educated ref Herb Dean or us ''guys'' on the internet, safely behind the screen, picking sides and are in most cases takes sides. So what I'm saying he was starting to tap, but he never finished it cause it slipped off and apperently, Herb thought the same. Again I trust the decision of Dean rather then what a random guy thinks on the internet, he is there cause he know it and you can see he was ready to stop it, but agian he didn't.

What part I dont get, is why Akira get's threated to have to leave the show. When that knuckle head Dustin Neace goes gun blaznig on the weight in and at least what we know, he  gets away with it and almost every american is blaming Akira. He gets shit for nothing he did, shows that there is much more that are exactly like Dustin Neace. I think Akiras taunt was okay, after the crap Neace did at the weight in. At least both should get the same threatment and not only Akira, beside that was more fun and we don't know what else Neace has been telling. I mean the guys seems to be very carried away like Diego when he gets on about something.

@Unorthodo Good to see that I'm not the only one thinking that way, I think the rule is 3 times and it should be clearly showed. First was 2 the rest didnt looked at all like a tap to me. Even tried to found it on the ufc site, but it seems like they took it down or it's just me who can't find it

 @tat2edup You really think Akira acted like a douche with his pranks? What about that hot headed american who goes nuts for almost nothing? If someone deserv to be called a baby, it's him. I mean that last part, he ruined everything when Akira didn't do anything. About him acting like a baby, he got certain limit. I must agree he is right, it's way easier to emty there glove then cleaning your bed. Same as his hat, he says he would never do that with his hat, cause he value his own hat that much.

So I don't think you should be called him a baby cause of him reacting like he did, cause I think Neaces pranks where way worse then Akiras and obviously he has some certain limits to what is a prank for him. But at the same time you can't blame Dustin Neace, cause he can't know that. Just the same as you should't call Akira a baby, a guy you hardly know at all and you seems to miss the fact that he admitted he would never do the same, which infact he didn't. If someone deservs a ass whopping, it's Neace if you ask me. Sure Akria did his share, still Neace is way worse in my opinion. To bad he wasen't finished when he got rocked there.

Beside, Akira is a good guy. I mean check his earlier vidoes with Brad Pickett and such. Also who acted like a good person and got Diego and Marcus to solve there ''sparring'' problem? Akria, but they are obvious trying to build him up as an ass to get people to notice and hate him. It's not better that he actually plays along with it, so it gets very easy doing it.

@miklo Haha so far, I have only seen you and me actually reacting on this thing. Beside Akrias  taunt could be way worse, well it depends on if it had a other meaning then what we know about there agrument. Good to see that's not me who is running around in circles about this.

There is no set rule stating that a tap out must be three taps.  A tap out defined in the Unified Rules of MMA -

When a contestant physically uses his hand to indicate that he or she no longer wishes to continue; or

ii. Verbal tap out: When a contestant verbally announces to the referee that he or she does not wish to continue or makes audible sounds such as screams indicating pain or discomfort.

That being said, I think its is perfectly clear that Akira tapped.  He tapped and did it in a manner hoping that Neace would let go by habit which is pretty much what happened.  I've seen this happen at local grappling tournaments as well as MMA matches.  Its happened to guys I've cornered.  So yes Akira tapped and the fight should have been stopped, however Neace made the mistake of automatically releasing pressure.  I always advise that in competition when you feel you opponent tap you stop applying pressure, but hold the submission where its at until the ref says stop or steps in.

In regards to the pre fight brawl.  Kieth Keizer wasn't there and had no business being there since it wasn't a weigh in or fight, in no way would he have any power to suspend anyone at that time.  However those saying that Neace overeacted, I suggest you go rewatch that stare down.  You see Akira pushing him with his head getting in his face and being an over aggressive jerk, its not like he was just standing their making faces he invaded his space aggressively after an already heated altercation, he knew thats what was going to happen and thats what he wanted to happen.

And I think Kieth Kiezer was right stepping in to  threaten to suspend Akira, he got in Neaces corner taunted him attempting to start another brawl, thats unprofessional and he should be reprimanded.  Also Bisping is a jerk, his fighter goes over their acts like an ass Mayhems corner reacts and Bisping replies "get control of your team", classy.

Nailed it Paladin.

Not only is there a tap, he also pulls down the knee sleeve, then pulls outwards  to break the hold.
 I say let team Bisbing retain control, but Akira is replaced by Neece. Since this show is set up as a tourny, do what you would do in a tourny when a guy gets DQed for cheating.

Man, judging by the length, bias, and grammar of Dai's post, could he be Akira C. or at least a troll looking for internet threads like this to bash we lowly Americans?

I also thought that post may be Akira or a training partner.   Wouldn't say troll, a training partner could be backing his friend and even know more of a back story.  Remember, we only see what the editors want us to see.  Either one of them could have pee'd in the others cheerios?  We don't know.

All the stuff from the house and the fight announcement seems to be pretty par for the course on TUF.   Akira's actions in the ring after the fight were out of place.   Seems that he let his emotions get to him for a second.

@Enigmachrysalis I'm not Akira or a troll, why would you belive such thing? I'm a honest guy with a open mind. Where and why would I bash Americans? If I did or it seems like I did, I apologize. I have no problem with Americans, just bad people, it's the same if they are Americans, Chinese, English men or from my own country. So dont pull any ''you are a troll' ''you bash americans'' card on me, that would be sweet. In fact, I  want to go to America, special New York or Los Angels, maybe Miami.

@SmashedYoFace I agree on the first part, man thats why I check this site so often about anything intresting to read and learn new stuff from more experience people. Yeah, even though I like Akira, he should't have done that. I say that even when I laughed about it at first. But what have been done, cant me changed though.

@bruceleeroy I like you more and more for every post I read, okay to the point. I'm not a training parther either, even if I whish to be in the same gym. The closest I come is that I have been traning 2 days with one of his trainers in Sweden. Yeah it feel like I know a little bit more about his back story, thanks to the fact that on Swedish mma sites, you are bound to find more things about Akira before his TUF time. Like his real name isen't even Akira, its Hamid, Akria is just his nick name. Same with our guy in LHW Alexander Gustaffson and Thiago Alves next opponent.

Okay about this matter, I think I can share a intresting thing I just read on a ''local'' mma news site. You will not be able to read the text, but they are questioning the fact if Akira tapped or not. What you should watch is the gifs and give your opinion on the matter. No idea how many else who have seen those, but thought it could be good sharring it with you all.

http://mmanytt.se/the-ultimate-fighter/hamid-akira-corassani-klappade-inte-ut-i-the-ultimate-fighter-14/#more-49987

EDIT: Just found another intersting thing, from the accused guy himself, Akira. Here he puts the same gif, as a explanation that he didn't taped

http://www.akirashow.com/2011/10/21/i-did-not-tap/

I want to point out, if you think you are reacting heavy to Akira so far. You should see all Swedish mma fans who are spreading crap about him not deserving no present our country and such. They dosent even seems to consider he isent there for us, but for him self and his future in the UFC. 

He Tapped.

Dai isn't a troll.

The gifs Akira posted are a few seconds apart, so they don't show the important parts, like when he tapped.

@Kyle A. Robinson Thanks, lets hope I dont get accused for being it again.

Yeah some other thought the same think, that some seconds is missing. However alot of other  people I have seen who responded to it, are starting to change there mind. But I think that they are not all wide spread apart. Can you explain why you think he tapped after watching those gifs? I mean just saying he tapped, it would nice to actually here what you base it on.

What still bother me is that if it really was a tap, why would Dean let it go on. He could impossible miss it from his angle of view. Mistakes have been made before, but I have a hard time thinking this is when Dean could easily see what was going on there.

@k-mo Did Neace really let got? I think it looks like Akira slipped out of Neace grip, cause that he stills has it locked until Akiras heel slips out. He might have stopped pessuring to wait for Dean to stop it and then Akira got out.