James Toney nabs 750,000 for fight with randy!
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 09:17
LF GENERAL #000
Middleeasy:
" James Toney did manage to place a cool guaranteed $750,000 in his bank account, not to mention any PPV dividends or sponsorship deals he worked out at UFC 118. "
here is the only afterfight interview with James:
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 09:59
#2
LF CAPT. #065
omg. thats insane.
-Jimmy
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 10:06
#3
LF ARMY #061
This shoulda came with subtitles.
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 11:37
#4
Seriously everyone already know boxers make tons more money than MMA fighters. I don't think it will change because the UFC is huge enough that they can pay fighters what they want and fighters are just happy to be there.
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 12:05
#5
this does not surprise me in the least (or bother me). The truth is the man has some very solid credentials (albeit thos days are behind him) and I believe that some additional ppv buys were sold as a result of the marketing strategy 'boxing' vs. 'mma'.
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 12:05
#6
He's gonna make what like....1.2 million or so for this fight? To get spanked by Randy? I'd have done that, and I'd have at least reclaimed guard.
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 12:16
#7
@bruceleeroy,
I am sympathetic to your outrage, but I don't think he was paying to reveal anything to himself. He knew that RC would handle JT and that we would all pay to see it.
I don't think that DW has ever claimed that he COULDN'T pay the fighters more, but logically, he should pay them the least amount the fighters are willing to accept before that amount exceeds what DW is willing to pay them.
JT got $750K b/c Dana White expects his involvement to garner a significant increase in PPV buys. Why would he pay a dark match fighter worth $5K 10 times that when it won't mean another $ for Zuffa?
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 15:01
#8
LF ARMY #063
I 100% understand the business aspect, it's just the part of it that frustrates me. When we get into those political debates and people always say "the market will take care of itself."
This is a perfect example. UFC pays those guys 3k because they can. They deserve more, but the UFC can get away with it so they pay them 3k. I'm not saying everyone deserves what JT got. I'm not even saying JT should get what everyone else gets. 250 times more money. Do you think the UFC got 250 times the ppv's?
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 15:47
#9
LF ARMY #073
The sad thing is in boxing $750K would be a HUGE pay cut.
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 16:36
#10
If I were a fighter, I would feel beyond frustrated. I hope that MMA reaches a point where even the pre-lims are flush with cash.
However, what fighters "deserve" is subjective. They deserve whatever they are paid. They don't have to fight or accept sh*tty deals for $3K to show and as much to win. They are telling us that while not ideal, this paltry sum is still worth enough to them to fight on the undercard of a UFC event.
I don't think that they had that many PPV buys, but that isn't a logical comparison. They paid Toney many times what the lowest paid participant made, but if that made Zuffa just $1 more, the juice is worth the squeeze.
Mon, 08/30/2010 - 16:46
#11
This is why collective bargaining works well with some companies. Athletes have been recognized as different from normal employees, and they have different needs as well. Disclosure from the company as to what they're making from each ppv would go a long way to letting the undercard and prelim fighters know what they could be payed. Is ten or twenty thousand so much if you're making ten million?
At the end of the day Zuffa is making huge amounts of profit, but they're using all of it to pay the top staff and fighters and to build the brand. Starting UFC shows in China won't get you from a paycheck of eight grand to a paycheck of twenty grand, so I don't know how much of that is directly benefiting today's lesser known fighters.
Tue, 08/31/2010 - 06:11
#12
Thanks for that tidbit TonyS, but I'm not sure that's relevant to our discussion. . . you spambot scum!
Bullet beat me to it. I was going to suggest that the only way to reinforce the logic that asks Zuffa to pay more based on their level of revenue is a fighters' union. The problem is that they would need some big names for muscle, and those are the guys that are well paid as the system stands now.
But still, the fighters are accepting these fights, Whether it be for the bump in sponsor money and potential bonuses, the hope for such things, or pure desire to compete at the highest level on the biggest stage, it is enough for them to remain f*cking fighters and avoid another less attractive profession. That is the bargaining power DW and Zuffa have with the fighters being paid peanuts.
Even if another promotion steals mid-level talent from the UFC, it will just offer them more $ to get them back, which is the only way I can see the lower echelon guys getting their due.
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Well that makes him the smart one then. Dana just paid 750,000 to find out something he already knew. How much did he pay Kimbo?
He should go back to his policy of "no freakshow" fights.
this is really sickening. You know this just means that Dana COULD pay all those undercard fighters $50k each. They just choose not to.