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thoughts and opinions please.

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It is what it is. It's a moderately effective form of self defense but doesn't have many movements that are applicable to MMA (similar to Krav Maga in that regard). So it depends on what you're looking at/for.

I know some of that stuff looks pretty goofy, but some of it works. Are you looking at training in it or something?

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I've seen this episode before, and to me it looks like a lot of sloppy brawling. Of course, perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems the guys didn't learn a lot of specific techniques that they used in the fight climaxes. The fact that one of the K guys was knocked out also says something to me.

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So they claim to be super effective street fighters but only allow 3 seconds on the ground? Seems like they're missing some important aspects of fighting.

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^ thought the same thing when i saw that episode

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Greetings:

I won't claim to be a Kajukenbo spokesman, but I'd like to address the questions/comments. I've trained in Kaju since the late '70s, and teach it today. Hopefully I won't come across as over-sensitive or insecure.

That said, some of the comments and questions are very fair -- especially if someone only has the Fight Quest episode as a go-by. Kajukenbo is a hybrid art and inherently variable in its nature. Factor in the several different "methods" and "branches", and the appearance can be wildly variable. What's seen in FQ is but one aspect. And while some of it may have come across as brawling and undisciplined, there are aspects of Kaju that are very traditional, disciplined and highly effective.

As traditional arts go, we're still young (only 60+ years old). So we're still maturing and trying to grow.

Be glad to discuss.

RB

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I think martial arts that are designed to be used as self defense (and not as sport) often forgo a lot of ground techniques because in all honesty, armbarring someone does little for you if you're getting stomped in the head by his two friends, and those are the situations where I'm more worried about defending myself.

Not saying that it really justifies not teaching anything on the ground, but that's why I would assume they stand them back up after 3 seconds (I personally believe that it's better to learn EVERYTHING, so you don't get choked out by some JJ guy because you don't know what a guillotine is).

It is more sketchy to me, however, considering the 'ju' portion of Kajukenbo is supposed to stand for judo/jiujitsu, maybe Ron B can explain or something.

I'm personally leery of any martial art that boasts of it's ability to be "street ready" or anything like that. Just my two cents.

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@SpaceChomp

I would agree with your first paragraph. Initially, our art was geared less for grappling/ground fighting and more for defending against punches, grabs, chokes, sticks or knives. But let's be honest; the Gracies were crafting their brand of jiu jitsu at the same time that our pioneers were in Hawaii crafting Kajukenbo. So it's not like the ground techniques weren't available. Still, it was about defending one's self in the streets.

As to the "ju" part of Kajukenbo, well ... better late than never. Wink Many practitioners have finally realized how important this aspect is. In my school, the vast majority of my punch defenses and grab defenses make use of a takedown AND control of at least one attacking limb. We have a set number of throws and counter-throws that students must know. As well, there are some Kajukenbo schools that are more judo/jiu jitsu than anything else. Our co-founder Joe Holck (born Joichi Matsuno) has a Danzan-ryu lineage all his own.

For defense on the ground, many of our schools have incorporated either BJJ concepts or provide a BJJ curriculum. I make sure that my students are able to, at the very least, escape full mounts, side mounts and headlocks while on the ground.

While I agree that there's no art that is "street ready" for all scenarios, Kajukenbo comes pretty close.

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Thanks RonB for your thorough and measured responses regarding Kajukenbo, and for not being defensive about the comments/critiques. Very refreshing.

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It was the style I originally started in. I was always taught that mobility=self defense. On the ground, you aren't that mobile. Hence you are susceptible to multi person attacks on the ground. I believe it was the reason original gracie BJJ had alot of standing subs. But yeah Ju was pretty neglected. I remember learning a couple techniques from watching Royce back 1996 in the day and just wiping the floor with everyone. Couldn't do it now.

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