not used in the ufc, but are they still affective

Anderson had Steven Seagall in his corner during the Sonnen fight and trained Aikido with him beforehand, though it didn't affect the fight...it's really a self-defense art, as is Japanese Jujitsu, I have done JJJ before and its mostly "guy grabs you, you get wrist-lock and throw him" or "guy swings at you, parry and throw him/take him down". Also a lot of the moves are a little too murdery for the cage...

I don't think we're gonna see Shinobi walk in the cage
Ninjitsu was in the first UFCs... didn't do so well.

I don't know how "affective" they are, but we could argue how "effective" those arts may be.

I have to say this thread is kinda bizarre. Too deadly, too murderous for the cage? This reminds me of the interviews with James Toney's instructor who claimed to have a couple hundred underground fights, but considered MMA too "watered down" for him to compete in.

If it works, we see it in competition. If it doesn't...

Damn it, Jhamilton beat me to the affective vs. effective line!

This is the same 15 year old inventor of Parnes JJ who holds a 91-9 street grappling record.

Couple points

1 - Some of these arts teach the "deadly" things like going to the throat, nuts, eyes etc. Of course these are not legal.

2 - Some basic self defense techniques don't work in mma because they are sitautions that don't come up in a cage. Also they don't come up with someone who knows what they are doing. If any of us do happen to get in a bar fight are you going to reach 1 hand out and grab the persons collar? Probably not.

The style of JJJ i trained in for a bit was called Yang Ki Yin, if that means anything to anybody. And yes by too deadly i also meant wayyyy illegal, and the wrist locks would never work with gloves and hand wraps.

If any of us do happen to get in a bar fight are you going to reach 1 hand out and grab the persons collar?

I agree but you would be amazed how often I see people do this in bars (I am a crowd controller/security guard).
This whole thread brings up some thing that I have wanted to see for a long time, before we had a lot of system type fighters get in the ring and try MMA which showed a lot of the holes in most styles games. I have always heard that most systems aren't designed to teach some one how to fight but to teach people who can fight different systems. I would like to see a professional pro MMA fighter learn ie:Ninjitsu. I know a lot of people aren't going to agree with me when I say that I am sick of watching MMA as there is nothing new happening- people have worked out a basic recipe for surviving in the cage and for the sake of staying safe have refined it to the point that nothing new is ever tried. MMA should change it's name to Muayboxwresjitsu if that's all it is ever going to be.

i'm going with snake-eyes too because he just shot storm shadow in the groin.

There was a time when illegal moves were legal... even then, they weren't big game changers other than people elbowing somebodies nut sack instead of elbowing them in the head. The dominant position still had to be gained.

Dan Severn has a great story about how the "No fingers inside any bodily orifices be them natural or man made" rule came into effect. Apparently one of his old proteges fish hooked the open cut of his opponent. It didn't do anything to the course of the fight other than unnecessarily widening the gash on the man's face.

Many of the illegal rules in place are simply there to minimize unnecessary injury to the fighters. Most of them are not there to block lethal death blows. The only game changing rules that I can think of are the illegal groin strikes, soccer head kicks, knees to the head of a downed opponent, and strikes to the back of the head.

@Bulleteater, yes I was quite a Storm Shadow fan, I still think Snake Eyes would win.
With regards to your comment, I think you are absolutely correct, the sport has evolved to the point where there shouldn't be any real game changers. And I think you make an excellent point about with a solid base, you can take bits and pieces from anything.
@BallPt, I think I agree with most of what you are saying. Most illegal stuff aren't death blows, but I think fish hooking and eye gouging could be real game changers.

Point well taken. I see where you are coming from.

I just don't think that Sumo or Ninjitsu has anything else to add, or somebody would have done it. Greg Jackson would have gone "man, that wrist lock into twisting crazy throw would counter this move perfectly...." If you want to see how TMA works against MMA, just go watch the old Gracie fights. They smash everybody, even the guys who try to eye gouge and attack the sack. Controlling your opponent is key, and grapplers can do that very well.