Standing submission holds

Wed, 01/31/2007 - 00:51

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as of late i've been grappling with a lot of judoka and some bjj dudes. i practiced sambo for the bulk of my martial arts life. at the gym i've been sparring at most of the people, mostly the judoka are very ,very good at passing gaurd and escaping mount. they like to try and bring it back to the feet as soon as they are in a bad position. i don't really mind locking up to try for a takedown, but i would like to add a couple of standing subs to my arsenal. i already know the flying triangle/armbar and the standing arm knot, but i was wondering if anyone else knows any other effective standing subs? im not talking about takedowns to subs just standing subs. i'll just go ahead and thank you now since im sure i will get something good out of this.

Wed, 01/31/2007 - 00:55

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well, if u can counter their throws and they give u their back, u got urself a standing rnc.

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Wed, 01/31/2007 - 00:59

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o yeah, well Judoka ppl like to clinch more than stay too low. but if u can quick snap their head down like what wrestlers do then u can also get a standing Guillotine.

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Wed, 01/31/2007 - 04:43

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There is a judo move called "Waki Gatame," where from randori you take your lapel grip and slide the grip up into his throat area. Drive the fist into his throat, while you are holding this grip. This will force your opponent to put his arms out towards you to bar you away. From here you can take his arm and slam him into the mat into a reverse armbar or stay up top with the choke.

Wed, 01/31/2007 - 06:18

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There is the arm triangle, I think the Militay Police like to use this one alot standing. You could also do some variations of a cross-face lock, double crossface lock, and the oh so painful pressure gauge.

Wed, 01/31/2007 - 07:04

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I have a found a few of the standard ground subs work standing, RNC, arm triangle, and a few others. Our MMA class has been working on standing toeholds and kneebars lately.

There are some in the techniques section, you just have to look around.
Here's one I put up awhile ago.
http://lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=2029

And this may sound goofy, but Pro-wrestling is where there are lots of standing submissions. Audiance visibility and all that. Octopus Stretch (standing twister), Stretch Muffler are two I can think of .... But I'd really test anything you see there thoroughly to see if it'd work on anyone other than a complete stranger to grappling.

And there are tons of standing submissions in Chin Na, but useful application may vary per person.

good luck

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Wed, 01/31/2007 - 07:10

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I still catch people in a move I learned years ago. You are tied up,and your adversary has a overhook on you. I like to feint a drive, and as he pushes back I rotate my arm towards his body trapping the tricep right above the elbow. You can pull off a straight arm lock from here, or I like to take them down from there, and you have control of the arm for a whole list of nasty subs. I warn you though they banned this move from my school, after I popped this big philly cop's elbow. It was a giant accident. He drove on me I had the sub locked I tripped, and all my weight went on his elbow. I still feel bad about this three years later. Good luck!!!

Wed, 01/31/2007 - 15:21

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I've found that a standind Americana works a treat. Bonus points if you can force them upto a wall to make it easier for you.

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Sat, 02/03/2007 - 20:03

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the kimura like karo parisian uses

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Thu, 02/15/2007 - 18:49

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hey pitbull, look on the bright side, not many can break a cops arm without doing time for it! But Im sure it was an accident!

Thu, 02/15/2007 - 19:49

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there's a standing collar choke in judo.... forget the name of it. I think you use either one or two fists, tightly gripping the collars with thumbs down, and then turn your knuckles into their throat. Not too sure about it though.

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Thu, 02/15/2007 - 20:50

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k

2 min in. Old school stuff.

Other is the guilotine (obviously), standing rear naked choke, standing armtriangle, various wristlocks.

Then of course there are the submissions you can move into in one smooth simultanious movement from standing which kind of counts...
Ex taking the back with an armdrag and imediately choke them out, rolling kneebar, kimura throws ala Karo, flying armbars and triangles, and some other similar stuff.