staph and ringworm
It seems like every day someone at my gym is out with staph or ringworm. I have been using defense soap and this athletic soap that is antimicrobial- how often do people catch these things, i have been training with this fight team for the past 6 months and have gotten ringworm three times and staph once- is this common? Its so frustrating. I hate being sidelined
Would you attribute it to dirty mats or dirty training partners- either way me and one of my friends that joined with me are getting really turned off and thinking of switching schools when our contracts are up. We love the teaching and the level of competition at the school but thats no good when you cant roll.
Neither of us want to approach our instructor about cleaning the mats more often and talking to the students about not coming in when infectious (half of them are idiots and wouldnt realize anyway)- Any suggestions? I know he uses bleach- is there anything better?
Those diseases should not be that common. Not at all.
room needs to be well - aired and needs sunlight. try putting fans in the room to air it out. if mat is left wet, even wet with bleach water, it will become a breeding ground.
don't waste your money on mat soaps, they don't work; defense soap does not work. go to a dermatologist.
skin infections are also a huge sign of over-training. your skin is your largest organ. exercise, martial arts training, fighting, physical activity stresses your body out. overtraining leads to getting sick. most weakest organ in your body to getting sick is your skin.
think about how easily your lips get chapped in the winter. or how and when you break out in hives or other rashes.
i used to have ringworm regularly until i started taking rest days in between training days. instead of training five days back to back I break my training up more. many factors come into play with overtraining. are you stressed? did you sleep right the past few nights? are you eating properly?
change your dermatologist. mine perscribed benzoyl peroxide to use once a week to prevent skin infections. make sure your dermatologist can handle problems athletes face and not acne ridden teens and cosmetic derm work.
I've trained for 4 years now, I trained 1 and half years, 3+ times a week and I have never had ringworm or staph. Either someone you roll with doesn't wash their gear or shower (gross) or the mats you roll on don't get cleaned.(even more gross) Probably the latter. I wouldn't mess with it to be honest. Ask the gym owner why so many people are getting it, and maybe offer to clean the mats if you're worried about it.
I have been training for years and have had some scares but nothing serious. It should not be as prevalent as you say it is. At my gym we wash the mats every day when we are done training with water, bleach, pinesol.
Zombiekev brings up a good point. It may be because of overtraining but you have to look at that on a case to case basis. I have been training 6 days a week for close to 4 years and have had ringworm once or twice.
Do you wear full rash guard and leggings washing your face before and after each session? If not, then you might have to until the duration of your stay.
How often do they clean the mats and how funky do your training partners smell?
I have trained in places that were breeding grounds for skin infections and fungus((damp, dark basement with flooding problem)) but we kept the place clean and my training partners were very hygeine friendly which makes a huge difference. I use dial antibacterial soap and havent had any problems with any infections for the last few years. We also keep a bottle of germ-x handy and we rub down exposed areas with it immediately after training. We have a few cases of ringworm pop up now and then but one of my training partners is a pharmacist so it quickly gets taken care of.
Mild cases are expected from time to time sometimes you cant avoid it but to have this stuff running rampant is crazy and shouldnt be happening. As Marshall said- "way too common".
I use staphaseptic after I train (if I have a nick/scrape/pimple showing I'll put it on before I leave). Generally after my shower after training. Never had a case of staph/MRSA yet I think due to diligence in that.
As far as worm, like with staph, any place it can get in...
The kinds of mats the place has is big too. Those zebra mats with the 'grip'? Blow. Not only do you get the burns on your feet etc, but they're a great place to trap bacteria. I love the big stretched rubber type ones, easier to clean and less places for the bugs to hide.
Usually for worm if i see a new mat burn, I'll hit it with Lamisil just as a precaution. Especially neck/head, those seem prone (although I do shave my head right? ;p).
I'd see about his cleaning schedule, or find a new place.
dave leverich, would suck to get ring worm in your scalp. takes forever to get rid of when its in your scalp.
I've trained for 5 years about 4 times a week average. I've had staph once and worm once (on my face, which sucked).
There's no reason anyone should have that shit as often as you described. It happens, risk of the environment, but not that much.
One thing you can try is swimming three times a week for about 1/2 hour. A buddy of mine had MRSA a couple of times. His doctor told him that once the Antibiotics killed it, to swim in a chlorinated pool 3 times a week or so. That should kill anything. Seemed to work for him.
Otherwise be bleaching the hell out of mats and equipment twice a week until everyone comes in clean then do it AT LEAST once a week.
Remember, tape doesn't proide a barrier agianst ANYTHING. If guys are just putting tape of worm or whatever, it ain't doin' nothing to stop it from spreading.
Change gyms if the attitude doesn't change. my 2 cents.
Breakouts of ringworm, staph, molluscum, or impetigo can happen in the best of gym, especially large ones. That said, the frequency at wich it seems to be occurring in your gym is cause for concern.
Frequent cleaning of the mats/equipment is important and you have every right to inquire as to how often that is done. More importantly is to remind people with suspicious bumps, dark circles, etc. to not roll until it goes away. It is frustrating when people knowingly put their training partners at risk.
Showering after rolling is helpful, and antibacterial soaps, etc may help some, but are no cure all.
The best way to limit exposure is for beating it to become part of the shared culture of the gym. Encourage everyone to do their part!
Zombiekiev, it's not too bad when you have no hair heh.
Usually it'll be from a scratch or something on the back of my neck from someone's nasty gloves (my last fight I had one get that, ick). But I'll hit them RIGHT after with Lamasil or whichever anti-fungal, as soon as I see red. If it's pimple-ish or ingrown hair/scratch, then I'll hit with staphaseptic. Abrasions seem to attract ring, cuts/pimples seem to attract staff.
It's rare though for ring for me, and never had staff. My ex-wife worked for Teclabs so I got free info on MRSA and all that, made me paranoid... probably why I've never gotten it.
I do like the pool swim idea, great call. Train, hit the YMCA, shower, swim, shower, home. Wouldn't take a lot and it's always good for cardio.
Ring worm fungus is every where not just on mats. So getting ring worm is more a problem of being wet. Make sure you dry off completely after showering.
We use Cliff Keen Mat Cleaner after EVERY class and we've never had a problem (knock on mat). Here is were I get it:
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Great post thanks Mike!
When I wrestled in highschool Ringworm found its way into my head gear, i got it twice on my on my face under my ear. In the last 5 years I have never gotten it again or a staff. A friend of mine was hospitalized for impetigo, it got in his blood stream = 2 weeks in a hospital bed!! Yikes, take this seriously, a son of a Lockflower got MRSA in his eye at a wrestling meet.! One kid I wrestled with in highschool actually got bit pretty badly on his forearm and that infection put him out for the rest of the season, maybe 8 weeks! And no joke a kid named Harry Ho, brother of Donna Ho, got ring worm so bad he didn't wrestle his senior year and was not allowed in the wrestling room period! Stay clean my brotha's, remember cleanliness is godliness!
Bummer to hear that you are struggling with skin infections. Education along with the proper hygiene and the right product is the solution to your problem. There is not a single gym anywhere that is free from infection. Some of course, are worse then others, but they all have a certain level of infection.
You hit the nail on the head when you stated,
"Neither of us want to approach our instructor about cleaning the mats more often and talking to the students about not coming in when infectious".
These issues need to be understood and addressed. This isn't grade school where no one wants to sit by the smelly kid. Your health is an issue here as well as your training.
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its really more about staying dry. the first time i got it was on my elbow and i ALWAYS wore a long sleeve rashguard. then i got it 2 more times at the same gym, the mats were not cleaned at all until the next morning (like come on really?), no windows or sun coming in. anyways lamisil cream is the best. put it on anything you suspect after class like a red dot or an itch just to make sure. always stay dry and always shower after class (immediately before your sweat dries up). also remember that ringworm takes several days to turn red and turn into that ring look, before that its a pimple, if you can put cream before that happens it goes away much much faster. nizoral also is good, and look for anti fungal soap on live well i think the site is (cheaper than defense soap).