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Hi, i'm starting a BJJ/MMA school up here in Manitoba Canada, as my mother school is 2 1/2 hours drive away.

I'm waiting on my purple belt and have already found a staff of 2 Seasoned Muay Thai instructors, a BB in Judo, and a NCAA wrestling champ who all agreed to teach. My BB will teach BJJ and myself in for majority of the month when he doesn't make it down for some weekends.

I was wondering what kind of insurance policy i would need or would a lawyers written up waiver cover it?

What kind of advertising i should do other than a few signs and radio announcements? ( i don't want to go to all the TKD and Karate schools in the area and directly steal some of their students away that would annoy me to no end if the shoe was on the other foot )

There is no MMA/BJJ clubs or schools in a 130 mile radius and this is the second largest city in Manitoba so i have no competiton but noone to ask what kind of permit or license i need to run it and get the city to approve it.

Would i contact Muay Thai council or Judo and see if they can permit me? Does it cost $$$.

So far at the moment i've purchased about 600 sq/ft of www.greatmats.com 1 5/8" grappling mats. And like the quality and will purchase another 600 sq/ft very soon.

Best way to get equipment?(ie, Bags,Sparring Gear)

I have only just turned 22 and have no expierience with businesses. A local here has contacted and offered a 50% partnership deal where he has a lot of business expirience to offer as he runs a successful contracting gig. He is one of they many who has heard a buzz about it opening up. Is this a good idea to go partners?

Basically i dont want to annoy you with common or dumb questions but if ANYONE has ever been in my posistion and has started a school i would greatly appreciate it.

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I don't think these are dumb questions but I'm not one to answer them. Gl though sounds exciting.

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good luck wit ur new school! hope someone can help u out.



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I'm actually gonna "make" a BJJ school for my econ class. Lemme know how things work out, and maybe you can help me out too!

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Well, I'm really not an expert on this kind of stuff, but for any facility that houses combat sports you're probably going to need some kind of insurance and a legal waiver of liability to pass out to your students.

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good luck with your school man


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Just so everyones aware i'm not starting this school/club as an actual business venture but its to be run as a bussiness.

What i mean is i'm not in it for profit. I just want it to stay afloat/ have some extra left over so it can then be put into expanding equipment and such/ and i respect my mother school enough to help out my BB

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GotchaBack wrote:
Just so everyones aware i'm not starting this school/club as an actual business venture but its to be run as a bussiness.

What i mean is i'm not in it for profit. I just want it to stay afloat/ have some extra left over so it can then be put into expanding equipment and such/ and i respect my mother school enough to help out my BB


I think you'll probably have to talk to a lawyer about getting the paper work written out for the students to cover anything so you don't get sued.

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NumberTwo wrote:
GotchaBack wrote:
Just so everyones aware i'm not starting this school/club as an actual business venture but its to be run as a bussiness.

What i mean is i'm not in it for profit. I just want it to stay afloat/ have some extra left over so it can then be put into expanding equipment and such/ and i respect my mother school enough to help out my BB


I think you'll probably have to talk to a lawyer about getting the paper work written out for the students to cover anything so you don't get sued.

+1 on getting a lawyer, that way you get all the end tied up and don't get f*cked on a technicality

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k ill definetly make an airtight waiver thru a lawyer to protect my ass. Probably still have to get insurance of some sort if thats the case we can just work it out thru monthly fees.

I'm open to all kinds of advice for this thing to get off the ground feel free to post if you have any knowledge what so ever.

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Lawyer - Yes
Accountant - Yes
Insurance agent - Yes

These three will be most important, and the hardest to find. What I mean is that you need knowlegable people you can trust. Because you have no experience some people will look at you as "easy prey." Be carefull even trusting the advise of relatives and friends because people will refer you to their friends - who may or may not be the right people. I know this because I have been there. Find a handful of experienced buisness people who you will make as your board of dirrectors. Find a way to compensate them - often retired buisness men will do it for a nice dinner or lessons for there grandson. They may do six months for free.

Try not to partner up with someone yet I would only do it if it where the only way. buisness partnerships fail way too often - wait till you want one down the road.

Good luck

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GB, have you looked at doing a presentation for the local high school's wrestling team? I haven't seen it done, but a nogi demo would seem to be a great match and you'd get some stellar wrestlers most likely.

VIP passes too if you actually do decide you want to run it as a business.

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Edit. Didn't read all the way thru. Good luck.

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The insurance is probably going to be your biggest hurdle. It can be very expensive and cost prohibitive. Some of the Judo gyms around here get around the insurance cost by collectively joining some sort of Association, where every member pays a minimal cost and then the association gets some kind of bulk rate coverage.

At my gym we only have to pay $27 each year in dues and then the gym is covered by the association. You may want to talk to your Judo partner to see what he knows about it.

The only downside is that whenever a non-member rolls at your gym they are a financial liability and it tends to be customary to allow a guy a single free class, or to allow outside fighters/practitioners the occasional drop in.

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For advertising, dont do radio ads, magazine ads, or mailers. We've tried about anything and everything, and those types of things dont work. Your best bet is going out in the community doing demos, sponsoring events, and putting out door hangers. You want to try and hit the communities closest to you (preferably within a 5 mile radius) and make sure you keep throwing your name out there. And always do any type of free advertising (ex. websites, online school locators, myspace, facebook, youtube, etc, etc.) If your open by June, be sure to do something with that Karate Kid movie.... there's going to be a hhuge drive from that if the movie is a hit.

The top 3 things weve had students come from are:

1. they saw our school driving by
2. word of mouth
3. door hangers

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Here is my 2 cents. Just a little background on me if it means anything. I have run my families printing business for the last 15 years and also own and run my own BJJ school.

RE: already found a staff of 2 Seasoned Muay Thai instructors, a BB in Judo, and a NCAA wrestling champ who all agreed to teach.

- Make sure that everyone is in agreement that you are the boss. That ALL decisions on what happens in the school go though you. Five guys with five different ways of running things will only harm the school. Trust me.

RE: I was wondering what kind of insurance policy i would need or would a lawyers written up waiver cover it?

- Insurance is a must. Most businesses won't lease you space until you can show proof of insurance. The BJJ, Judo and wrestling won't cost much. It should be less then $100.00 per month. The MMA on the other hand will cost a lot more. When I checked into MMA at my school most of the main carriers wouldn't even insure me. The waiver is just a worthless piece of paper that everyone requires you to have. You can word it yourself, copy someone else or have a lawyer do it. It's still worthless. If you're negligent and someone gets hurt you can be sued no matter what the student signed. Trust me (No. I haven't been sued but I know others who have.)

RE: What kind of advertising i should do

- eagles51493 was right on. Word of mouth, signs and getting involved in the community (fairs, parades, etc.)

RE: Best way to get equipment?(ie, Bags,Sparring Gear)

- The web would probably be you best bet. My advice start off small and slowly build your gym. You don't want to be in debt before you even get started.

RE: Is this a good idea to go partners?

- No. No. No. And No. The first rule at the Harvard Business school: Never have a partner. Trust me.

My best advice start off small and grow. Ask a local gym or school if you could rent out space a couple days a week. Slowly build your student base and then go look for your own place. Stay smart and don't get in over your head. If you can't afford it don't buy it. If it sounds to good to be true, it is.

I wish you the best of luck.

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um.. this thread is from 2007, it was bumped by a guy selling gi's...

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Instead we must realise the critical moments and give it all then.

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mystikai, nice catch. I didn't notice that. Oh well.

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Lol, I totally didn't see that, my bad. I jumped in first ;(.

I don't have to win every time, it doesn't bother me in the slightest to get tapped. So I'm able to learn the ins and outs without my ego getting in the way. - Eu

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