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Transition from judo to wrestling

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Hey guys, this is my first forum post, and I would like some input on the best way to make the transition from judo to wrestling? Right now, I'm in highschool doing judo and i hope to wrestle for the Fighting Illini. I want to find a way to take my judo experience and blend it with wrestling. Thanks.

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are you a member of your highschool wrestling team? or any wrestling club? if not join one!

I am admire judo greatly, never practiced it but wrestled in HS. Judo will help but learn wrestling if you want a shot a doing it in college.

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problem is, there are no wrestling programs in my area; but two of my judo sensei are former wrestlers themselves. Should i just find time to work with them?

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I would not plan on wrestling for a major D-1 program if you've not wrestled before. Not only are they great wrestlers, but also exceptional athletes.

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Damn what high school doesn't even have a wrestling team? especially in IL? I didn't wrestle in hs only because i grappled outside of school and my gym had a ton of good wrestlers, and I only cared about wrestling that applies to MMA, though looking back i really should've joined the team but can't go back now.

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There are definitely elements of your Judo game that will cross over into wrestling. That said, the sports have enough differences that you won't transition smoothly from one to the other. I don't want to discourage you, but I think that Orthehill is right, you will be very, very hard pressed to walk into a Division I school and make the wrestling team with no experience. Better odds if you started at a junior/community college program and worked you way up. Realize that the vast majority of high school wrestlers can't make it in a D-1 program.

That said, if you want to succeed in any college level wrestling program, you need to start learning the basics ASAP. If you can't join a program, work with the coaches you mentioned.

Good luck, I am afraid you have a very challenging path in front of you.

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All right, you guys make sense. Does anyone know how well former judokas have done in wrestling?

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and what moves of judo are illegal in wrestling?

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Man, lot of material to cover, but I'll try to answer as best as I can.

Quickly, lots of successful wrestlers have also trained Judo. Okla. State Heavyweight Steve Macco was a National Champion and runner-up and 2008 Olympic wrestler. He was known to use a judo foot sweep as part of his arsenal.

Most of the techniques from judo are legal in wrestling. There are no submission holds, but technically you can use some of the choke controls for turns and pins (like kata gatame or yoko sankaku), but you're not supposed to be choking people out.

The problem you're going to have is that wrestling is like a cult (I mean that in the best way possible). Most of the guys you see competing on the next level started when they were 8, maybe younger. A lot of wrestlers have very strong family ties in the sport. They live it, they breathe it, they eat it, they sleep it.

As already mentioned, wrestlers have a very high level of contitioning, flexibility and athletic ability.

Now, I think wrestlers would benefit greatly by also training in Judo and Greco-Roman wrestling. The hurdle you're going to have to overcome is catching up to other wrestlers that have been doing this stuff their whole lives.

Not saying it won't happen, but you're going to have to put in the work to make it even a possibility.

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Conditioning, athleticism, and flexibility aren't a problem. And I have a high threshold for pain and I'm ready to dish it out, but I can tell its gonna be a long road. What wrestling specific skills should I work on?

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level changes, double leg take downs, rides, tilts and pins!

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The first thing I'd do is get a heavy dose of rules, and I'd start watching as many matches as possible lie or on TV (I assume you've got the Big 10 Network). People who aren't used to wrestling will typically get lost in what is and isn't a takedown or an escape, becuase they're not familiar with how control is awarded. Guys will be rolling all over the mat, but there's not takedown becuase both guys have an anlke or an arm in or something.

There are so many skills that you'll have to work on, I won't enumerate any, but I'll try to give you some overall stuff to work toward. If you watch a lot of wrestling you'll start to recognize a few key traits that sperate championship caliber wrestlers from the other guys.

1) Wrestle to the edge and wrestle to the whistle. There are points to be had if you can finalize takedowns near the end of the peroid and as the action is heading out of bounds. Weaker wrestlers will let up in those moments when there's about to be a whistle, and you get the benefit of completing a score with a limited chance for the opponent to respond.

2) Chain wrestle. Agaisnt a quality opponent, you have to go three or four moves deep before you get a takedown or an escape.

3) Get up from the bottom. It's a tough skill but it's one of those things that seperates the higher-teir wrestler from everybody else. Watch the NCAA tournament, and you'll see the guys who make it to the semis and finals are never getting riden out in the 2nd or 3rd. (Except for the takedown machine from Nebraska)

4) Finalize takedowns. The top werstler from Nebraska this year (Jordan Burroughs (165)) shows a lot of gaps in his game, but he can get takdowns at will. He he drops guys, cuts them loose, then takes them down again. If you can get guys on the mat, it can cover up a lot of other weaknesses.

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Ok, I have no problem with ground work but, I definitely need to re-familiarize myself with changing levels and double leg tds.

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