Leg Lock re-counter against the spin escape
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spinning does not get you out of leg locks.
i tell this to everyone, but i get a lot of emails asking me to explain this. so here is a technique article about how spinning will get you into deeper trouble if someone knows how to finish good leg locks.
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leg control
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the spin
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the sub
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toe hold option
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he spins
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the sub
you have your opponent in leg control and are working for an ankle lock
he tries to spin to escape the ankle lock. you shoot your top foot way past as he spins and posture up.
now sit back on his leg with his ankle still under your armpit. pinch your knees and finish the submission by laying back. make sure you are not holding your weight up with your hands on the mat. sit on him to support your weight.
when you fall back on your opponent's leg push his foot away from you. this is how you set up a toe hold. in order to finish a toe hold his knee needs to be facing your chest. you can wait for him to spin and he will do that for you.
when he spins you loosen your legs and stay put. keep pressure on his foot with your hand to make sure his knee stays bent. as he rotates he is forcing his knee toward you, which is what you need to finish the toe hold.
lock your knees down, reach around and finish the toe hold.
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Thanks! You make me love the leglocks! I always try your stuff out, and it works great! Thanks again!
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Top tech as per usual Reilly, thanks for taking the time to share with us.
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Awesome techs, I've never been too competent with leg locks. Thanks for clearing up the mysteries.
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Nice counters. My leg game just keeps gettin better.
Awesome as always reilly
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Ah, what about the heel hook? Everyone spins out of that one...
Just the facts maam.
Awesome addition to the other videos, great way to cover alot of bases. Thanks again Reilly.
Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson.
joe friday... heel hooks are easy to spin out of, and they should be the last leg lock you attempt. start with the toe hold, it is the most secure and hardest to escape. the problem his toe holds are technical and have to be done just right. i should post a vid on the perfect toe hold.
@Reilly,
Please do post a video on toe holds! I always thought they were simple as hell, but that's probably why you're good at them and I'm not. Enlighten me, please.
PS - Great video as always! Thanks!
The perfect toe hold!!! love the soud of that!
Yea, seems like I have trouble at toe holds... but hell, I have trouble at most leg locks.
Most of the time we (general public) are taught leg locks but still have to fight like mad to secure them. But, from my understanding, if one is good and technical with them then there should be much less effort to properly secure the hold.
Just the facts maam.
More great stuff Reilly !
Could you post some leg lock escapes ? Maybe you have and I didn't see them yet.
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the best way to combat leg locks, is to use counter leg locks. trying to retreat or escape can often get you caught tighter in the lock. whenever my legs are under attack i try and get myself to a secure position and then mount a counter attack. this usually works better then just an escape. i will post some leg lock counter attacks and leg defense scenarios.
Cool, looking forward to that !
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Reilly I thoroughly enjoy the stuff you post, but I question the placement of your left foot in the video. By having your leg all the way across your opponent as a pose to his hip or hidden underneath the break of your leg, you are leaving yourself open to a counter leg lock (heel hook) would you not agree? If so, for the sakes of newbs not getting caught in counters of their own, you might want to re-shoot the vid. Again I enjoy your stuff man..keep it coming : )
todamax,
actually i disagree.
if my opponent attempts to leg lock my free leg (ie the one across his body that is not in between his legs) , then he is generally wasting his time. there will be two possible outcomes: first, because i have true control over his leg (its in between my legs and im squeezing my knees to hold it still) i will finish the lock faster, or secondly, if at any time i feel that my foot is in danger i simply shuck his leg out of the way and move into top control (either full mount or side control depending on what armpit my leg is under. if there is a particular leg lock counter you are thinking of please let me know, so i can address that specifically. but in general, the outside leg is not in any real danger. he has no control over the hip or knee (its not between his legs) so its not usually an issue in my experience.
i have seen people unfamiliar with leg locks get tapped on their outside leg but that is similar to getting tapped with guillotine when you in top control and not in the guys guard; if he is not controlling your body with his legs then he can not really finish the submission if you make any attempt to get out.
i hope that makes sense. if not PM me and we can discuss it further.
i agree with Reilly. from that pic under the toe hold option, you just have to keep your foot tigh to their hips and pinching your knees together for the control. if you allow it to slip up to their armpit, then yes, you will be in trouble. and if you are strong and technical enough, you can finish the toe hold without bringing your right arm around and grab your wrist. you just have to squeeze your knees together to control their leg, keep their knee bent, and start turning their toes towards their butt.
the only thing you might have to worry about is your hand slipping off the foot. especially if they move their leg around to not allow you to finish. i might just sit up and post with my right hand. and trap their shin between my quad and my stomach to prevent it from moving.
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I agree to disagree - Entering a footlock (Achilles/Heel Hook) with your other leg across your opponents body is like pissing in the wind – the one who is holding the shorter leg(the leg going across the body) always win – regardless of how tight your knees are pinched, or how tight you are holding/controlling the leg. Please direct me to footage (youtube or video title and time stamp) of a reputable instructor (Erik Paulson, Josh Barnnett, Vince Fields, Bass Routten) entering a leg lock with their own leg placed across the body – you can’t and won’t, because no one does it...in fact they advice against it. Perhaps they (Erik Paulson, Josh Barnnett, Vince Fields, Bass Routten) are wrong an you are right?
first off i never compared myself to anyone, im just posting little youtube videos of stuff i like to do when i grapple. it is very possible that people will not like to do it the way i do.
however, if we are are talking about the outside leg (the one not between your opponent's legs) being across their body... then yes, i can absolutely find prominent coaches teaching it that way:
oleg toktarov
Vadim Kolganov
erik paulson
erik paulson again
im sure i could find more but i didn't see the need to. i don't know why you would argue this point with out looking these videos up yourself.
i have never been submitted by someone who was attacking my outside foot.
am i saying its the best control... no. not at all.
but it is the most immediate control when falling back from guard, and you can go to many other control positions from there.
now if when you are referring to the danger of this you mean this technique:
then you should know that all the person has to do to escape this is let go of the foot, push it out from between their legs and move to top control. the only reason this technique works is because the person initially attacking is holding himself still. the other guy has no control.
you must understand, im not saying you can not get submitted on your outside leg... what im saying is that it is easy to stop, and as long as you dont ignore it, it is not a serious threat... much like the can-opener submission. that being said, this heel hook is a good way to stop them fro attacking your leg, but if they are paying attention at all you will not finish it and possibly get mounted. and when you work the leg positions this is the fastest one to get to, but you should move into a more superior position of control if your outside leg feels threatened, but that does not make this a bad starting position.
i really have no desire to have a public argument with you.
if you still do not like this technique then simply dont practice it, but i dont think you need to invoke the holy name of erik paulson when he has demonstrated this type of leg control on a few occasions himself.
there are a couple of people on this website who have trained with him. we could ask them if he ever showed people this position of leg control.
also if you would like to post a video of the counter attack you are speaking of, i would love to see it.
Nice lock
Snap or tap your choice!
And for the record fellas its MMA, Mixed Martial Arts. And there are I think about 4 diffrent ways that you can have you legs when you are throwing an ankle lock it all depends on you and what you feel comfortable doing. You may be from Pancrase and hold you legs a certain way and in BJJ you hold you legs a certain way and in Sambo you can hold you legs a certain way. And it also depends on your teacher as well Some ways may be better than others but if you actually have the lock deep does it really matter. Ankle locks hurt I have had many put on me in practice and the people that I train with are from diffrent forms of martial arts and let me tell you they all hurt. So why argue guys. Thank you for posting this technique Reilly keep it coming bro.
Snap or tap your choice!
Not trying to get into an argument dude- did not mean to ruffle any feathers - I thoroughly enjoy your videos and they are all good, I'm just did not want to see anyone getting caught in a counter is all.
The counter attack I was speaking of, was the last video you posted (Thanks). Agree with you when you said if counter does come up: "...all the person has to do to escape this is let go of the foot, push it out from between their legs and move to top control..."
I've seen leg go across hip (like in youtube vids you posted). However when leg is across hip, foot is usually goes tucked underneath opponent ribs if you feel the guy begin to roll. Foot is tucked tight between ribs and floor preventing counter leglock and preventing him from rolling.
When I saw your video (above) I had a hard time comprehending why dude was able to roll out of your attack...I was like WTF...why so loose? Rieley is too good for that.
Shit happens -
As warrior dragon said..there are about 4 different ways to have your leg when entering a lock...and I guess we can't always be faster or tighter than our opponent.
Again you just showed us a way to counter the roll if they guy beats the foot tuck - or starts rolling early.
Thanks again for the cool videos and for providing yet another weapon to add to our arsenal - keep up the good work and keep on posting videos. Again my apologies for ruffling any feathers.
Not trying to get into an argument dude- did not mean to ruffle any feathers - I thoroughly enjoy your videos and they are all good, I'm just did not want to see anyone getting caught in a counter is all.
The counter attack I was speaking of, was the last video you posted (Thanks). Agree with you when you said if counter does come up: "...all the person has to do to escape this is let go of the foot, push it out from between their legs and move to top control..."
I've seen leg go across hip (like in youtube vids you posted). However when leg is across hip, foot is usually goes tucked underneath opponent ribs if you feel the guy begin to roll. Foot is tucked tight between ribs and floor preventing counter leglock and preventing him from rolling.
When I saw your video (above) I had a hard time comprehending why dude was able to roll out of your attack...I was like WTF...why so loose?
Shit happens -
As warrior dragon said..there are about 4 different ways to have your leg when entering a lock...and I guess we can't always be faster or tighter than our opponent.
Again you just showed us a way to counter the roll if they guy beats the foot tuck - or starts rolling early.
Thanks again for the cool videos and for providing yet another weapon to add to our arsenal - keep up the good work and keep on posting videos. Again my apologies for ruffling any feathers.
...im not fond of leg lock, but trying to learn a thing or two. i am more adept on kimura & omoplate as it is my favorite lock & i submitted a few using those. now my opponents are keeping their eyes on their arms every time we grapple. thanx for this moves.
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