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flubber_guard
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 Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: On training hurt |
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I think the hardest aspect of being injured is deciding when it's something you can push through and when it's something that you'd be better off either resting or working around. I get really twisted up over this sometimes.
My problem is that I usually try to push through small injuries and aches and pains become pulls and tears. Or I go to the dojo fully intending to work around the injury and then my enthusiasm gets the best of me or someone wants to "just roll easy" and next thing you know, I'm crawling to my car in worse shape than when I arrived.
I'm finding that if I'm trying to work around a boo-boo and decide to train at the dojo rather than at home, it's best if I don't even bring a mouthpiece or protective gear so I'm not tempted to do something I promised myself I wouldn't.
So I guess you could say that one of the things that motivates me to train when I'm injured is to set clear goals for the training session and then stick to them. Even when (ESPECIALLY when) a fellow practictioner questions your cajones. 
Anyone else have suggestions on how you approach training when you're banged up? |
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best thing to do is just rest. bruises and sore muscles, i'll keep going. anything more than that, i just rest or only drill. i learn my lesson when i told my partner to "go light" cuz i still had an injured knee. my partner pulled me from turtle and recrack my knee, bad times 
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skruzchkns
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I'm actually going through this myself currently. A kimura tore the labrum in my shoulder about 6 weeks ago. My arm is still goes numb pretty regularly but I'm going back tonight just to drill. I've been resisting until now because I'm sure that once I get on the mat I'm going to want to roll and will end up making it worse. At this point, though, my wife is pretty much making me go because she's tired of my crankiness  We'll see how it goes! |
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If you're going to roll injured, roll with people that you know that you can trust.
When I had a broken nose, there were people in my gym that couldn't even drill with me without slamming a body part into it.
My instructor (now a black belt) saw me looking pretty depressed about sitting out of rolling and called me to that mat. He was able to roll with me almost full speed and not once did he bump my nose.
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saxman6837
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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I am trying to work through an injury right now. A couple weeks ago I was rolling with a guy and he went for a low single and when I went to sprawl out, it tweaked my foot almost like a toehold and a loud "pop" came from my ankle. It didnt hurt so I kept rolling but then about 10 min later, I couldn't put any weight on it.
It has been tender since so I have just been wearing an ankle brace to try and minimize twisting it or anything. I didnt roll for about a week but after that I had to get back on the mat. I keep tweaking it but I think I'll just go crazy if I don't train.
I dont think I am the only one who feels this way. |
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NidanNic
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| saxman6837 wrote: | I am trying to work through an injury right now. A couple weeks ago I was rolling with a guy and he went for a low single and when I went to sprawl out, it tweaked my foot almost like a toehold and a loud "pop" came from my ankle. It didnt hurt so I kept rolling but then about 10 min later, I couldn't put any weight on it.
It has been tender since so I have just been wearing an ankle brace to try and minimize twisting it or anything. I didnt roll for about a week but after that I had to get back on the mat. I keep tweaking it but I think I'll just go crazy if I don't train.
I dont think I am the only one who feels this way. |
Use tape, lots of it, to immobilize the foot as much as possible. This also reminds you and your partner that you have an injury to be careful of.
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mkelley
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I'm 33 years old. That isn't old, but it's old enough when a large part of my adult life has been spent as a US Army Infantryman. Frankly, I only mention that to establish the requisite tough guy bona fides before I make my next comment.
Unless you are doing something critical to your career or in a life and death scenario, don't train hurt. Period. We all get bumps, bruises, and soreness. BJJ might tweak that little toe and you can live with that sort of thing. Beyond that, there's no reason to push it with an injury other than "I wanna."
My comment to "I wanna" is "grow up." Your body is yours until you die. If you break it, there's only so much that can be done to make it right. How tough will you feel at age 40 when your damaged back won't let you sit still through a TV football game, but you sure were tough enough to hit the gym after that twister-gone-too-far when you were 25? How tough will you feel in your late 30's when that nagging knee injury prevents you from picking your 8 year old up off the ground, but you got in those extra reps on judo throws 15 years back? Will it be worth it that you got back on the mat to show those training partners how gutty you were when you get that third shoulder surgery that just wouldn't take?
These aren't the things that happened to me. I have my own stories of a shoulder that comes back to haunt me and ankles that are more scar tissue than tendon. They happened to friends of mine in the infantry who toughed it out instead of seeing the medic. They were tough, but they were dumb. So was I, and I pay for it now.
Now, I train smart. A month after I started BJJ I tweaked a groin muscle doing guard situps with a wide dude. I took three weeks off, and when I went back, I took it WAY easy on the groin. I hurt my foot last summer and took a month off of running. Just a month ago I was in the second of 4 rounds of rolling BJJ and I got a rough armbar stuck on me. I took the last two rounds off and watched. I just find other ways to work out where I don't lose it all, but I don't let the "lost time" get me down. You know what kind of tough I want to be? I want to be the 55 year old guy on the mat with the young bucks, moving slowly and deliberately as I tap them all out, 'cause I'll still be in the game. All of you know that guy, but most of us will be too "tough" to ever have the chance to BE him one day.
Think about that next time you try to "work around" that injured knee. |
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NidanNic
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| mkelley wrote: | I'm 33 years old. That isn't old, but it's old enough when a large part of my adult life has been spent as a US Army Infantryman. Frankly, I only mention that to establish the requisite tough guy bona fides before I make my next comment.
Unless you are doing something critical to your career or in a life and death scenario, don't train hurt. Period. We all get bumps, bruises, and soreness. BJJ might tweak that little toe and you can live with that sort of thing. Beyond that, there's no reason to push it with an injury other than "I wanna."
My comment to "I wanna" is "grow up." Your body is yours until you die. If you break it, there's only so much that can be done to make it right. How tough will you feel at age 40 when your damaged back won't let you sit still through a TV football game, but you sure were tough enough to hit the gym after that twister-gone-too-far when you were 25? How tough will you feel in your late 30's when that nagging knee injury prevents you from picking your 8 year old up off the ground, but you got in those extra reps on judo throws 15 years back? Will it be worth it that you got back on the mat to show those training partners how gutty you were when you get that third shoulder surgery that just wouldn't take?
These aren't the things that happened to me. I have my own stories of a shoulder that comes back to haunt me and ankles that are more scar tissue than tendon. They happened to friends of mine in the infantry who toughed it out instead of seeing the medic. They were tough, but they were dumb. So was I, and I pay for it now.
Now, I train smart. A month after I started BJJ I tweaked a groin muscle doing guard situps with a wide dude. I took three weeks off, and when I went back, I took it WAY easy on the groin. I hurt my foot last summer and took a month off of running. Just a month ago I was in the second of 4 rounds of rolling BJJ and I got a rough armbar stuck on me. I took the last two rounds off and watched. I just find other ways to work out where I don't lose it all, but I don't let the "lost time" get me down. You know what kind of tough I want to be? I want to be the 55 year old guy on the mat with the young bucks, moving slowly and deliberately as I tap them all out, 'cause I'll still be in the game. All of you know that guy, but most of us will be too "tough" to ever have the chance to BE him one day.
Think about that next time you try to "work around" that injured knee. |
Very well said. I'm an old broad who has been in some form of martial arts for 30 years now. I'm lucky in that I have had few major injuries. But the bursitis in my shoulder wakes me up at night, and my tweaked ankles won't let me kneel for long. All my aches and pains could have been avoided if I'd paid attention and gotten treatment, or taken a rest from training when told to. I work out on a group with a bunch of people in their 40's. It's pretty sad, we have the will, but for some people there's really no way! Bad knees, backs, shoulders and elbows. But we still try to keep on going, keep up the intensity, we are just smarter about it. Train hard, train smart, don't train injured and you'll train for life.
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flubber_guard
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| mkelley wrote: | You know what kind of tough I want to be? I want to be the 55 year old guy on the mat with the young bucks, moving slowly and deliberately as I tap them all out, 'cause I'll still be in the game. All of you know that guy, but most of us will be too "tough" to ever have the chance to BE him one day.
Think about that next time you try to "work around" that injured knee. |
Dang, mkelley... That's exactly why I love this forum so much. Your reply and insight is much appreciated.
My rational mind has been telling me the same thing, but my competitive nature and the fact that I've only recently (within the last 3 months) come back to the dojo after a several year hiatus causes me to second guess that voice of reason all too often.
I think the "little boy" in my head is trying to recapture lost time when I'm tempted to push through. But I have to realize that training is something that I want to include as a part of my life for as long as is humanly possible, and longevity requires erring on the side of caution from time to time.
Thanks again for your input. It's sincerely appreciated. |
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mkelley
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Glad to help. I mean all of it seriously.
I am not a naturally good athlete, but I am plenty competitive. If I am going to be that way, I have to work HARD and work regularly, so it is difficult to hang back sometimes. It's just the right thing to do with an injury.
Good luck. |
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Jhamilton
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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I agree totally.
Unless you are making your living fight..(and even then)
Other then being muscle sore, you should never train injured. I'm 30 and want to keep training unti I'm old & gray, I train for longevity.
I had my time to compete in sports and that was great, but now I train for the love of it & to stay in shape.
If I miss workouts because I'm injured then that is counter productive to my overall goal.
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Dave Leverich
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| mkelley wrote: | | I want to be the 55 year old guy on the mat with the young bucks, moving slowly and deliberately as I tap them all out, 'cause I'll still be in the game. All of you know that guy, but most of us will be too "tough" to ever have the chance to BE him one day. |
Man, no kidding. That guy down in my neck of the woods is Steve Boyd. I'm 37 and he could be my dad, and he slowly and deliberately taps the hell out of the bucks heh. I just keep my eyes and ears open and try to absorb (and stay uninjured so I'm there to do so ;p). |
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GuaRD-DoG
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah i learnt a long time ago not to roll if injured, if i am injured i work on something else that i can put quality into..thats the good thing about this game..always something you can do. |
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mkelley
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| Funny that this post is running now. Just tonight we were working kimuras from the guard. I felt fine, but about halfway through my first live roll of the evening I got this odd "dead arm" feeling on my left arm. When it didn't subside, I broke it off after that round. It feels ok now, but better safe than sorry. |
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